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Hi Rory: Sorry to sound loike an ad but I have a web site that will do just that. I suggest you look at lots of resources as well. Here are the urls. http://www.eteachingcenter.com/ http://www.uncletim.com/ Tim Gillespie http://www.eteachingcenter.com/t.htm Visualize Great Music
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> No. I should have edited the work before posting. > and another slip of the keyboard, perhaps: > makes a Dmin chord. > DEF?
While I’m talking about mnemonics for music theory, there’s a good one that helps in chord construction, although it’s usual use is to remember the lines of the treble stave. The treble stave has five lines, going from bottom to top: E, G, B, D, F. The gaps between them go (again from bottom to top) F, A, C, E. The lines are usually remembered: "Every Good Boy Deserves Fun" or "Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge"[1] The gaps are simply remembered as "face". You combine the two to make a cycle: F, A, C, E, G, B, D, F, A, C, E, G, B, D, F. This is basically a scale in C major going up in thirds. Since chords are made up of three notes separated in thirds, you have a nice easy way to remember the notes present in a chord If you are wanting to make up a triad rooted to, say, G in C major, you have G, B, and D. ("Good Boy Deserves"). Root a chord from A, you have: "A, C, E" (fACE) This trick says nothing of the flats and sharps that should be present, nor of the chords major or minor status. You can only get that information by using this in combination with a knowledge of the circle of fifths. [1] Even grunge musicians know this… Mudhoney had an album called, "Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge."
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> > David: > Great circle. Is there such a key as Fb? > jmaw > Fb is the same thing as E. I’m going to assume that’s why David wrote > (=Emaj) at the end of his Fb scale. That’s kinda like C# – Db being the > same way to phrase the same note in two different ways.
That’s it. When two notes of different names share the same pitch, they are said to be "enharmonically equivalent". Gb is enharmonically equivalent to F#, they are the same note[1]. The key cycle goes much further than I typed out: Fbb, Cbb, Gbb, Dbb, Abb, Ebb, Bbb, Fb, Cb, Gb, Db, Ab, Eb, Bb, F, C, G, D, A, E, B, F#, C#, G#, D#, A#, E#, B#, Fx, Cx, Gx, Dx, Ax, Ex, Bx At the extremes are keys that you will never see. Fbb is the same as Eb; Bx is the same as C#. Just be aware that they are possible, though in practice you will usually never see more than 7 sharps or flats. If you look at the list above, you can probably see that there is a repeating pattern: F, C, G, D, A, E, B: this is the cycle of fifths. I use this to remember all sorts of things; the number of sharps or flats in a key, what the sharps and flats are… I use a mnemonic device that was taught to me more than twenty years ago to remember the order, "Father Charles Goes Down And Ends Battle."[2] If I saw four sharps in the key signature I’d know that the notes to be sharpened were F, C, G, and D by mentally ticking off: "Father Charles Goes Down," three flats and I’d recite it backwards: "Battle Ends And…" Bb, Eb, Ab. To get the key, you use the same thing, bearing in mind that C major has no sharps or flats. Five sharps, I’d start from the note after the C: "Goes Down And Ends Battle." B major. Three flats I’d start after the C, and do the rhyme backwards. "Father Battle Ends." Eb major. All you’d have to remember was that a key with flats had a root that itself was flat, unless there was only one flat (F major). This all mioght sound a bit complicated, but it really isn’t. It’s routinely taught to seven or eight year old kids, although you wouldn’t confuse them with concepts like the cycle of fifths or anything like that. You just teach it to them as a funny rhyme that helps you work out stuff. [1] at least for any purposes we will ever use them. If you delve very deep into music theory, you will find that it’s not that simple. [2] I’ve no idea who Father Charles was, if anyone, or what the circumstances were that lead to the battle ending. It all sounds a bit suspect.
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and another slip of the keyboard, perhaps:
makes a Dmin chord. DEF? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Rory: > There’s a mistake in the chromatic scale: it should read [A#Bb] rather than [AbB]. > jmaw > Rory: > You’re on the right track, a little theory would help you to understand how > chords are constructed and how they relate to a key; and how common "cultural" > chord progressions have evolved. Here’s the theory drift. > There are 7 notes in the major scale. Key of C no sharps or flats = > C,D,E,F,G,A,B > By combining every other note you build chords (triads): C,E,G makes a Cmaj > chord; D,E,F makes a Dmin chord. > Ask yourself why a major and then a minor? > The answer, intervals, i.e., tones or steps: > The chromatic "western" scale is comprised of 12 semi tones or half steps. > [C] [C#/Db] [D] [D#Eb] [E] [F] [F#Gb] [G] [G#/Ab] [A] [AbB] [B] > Major chords are comprised of one major third (C – E) and one minor third (E – > G) in that order: a major third is comprised of 4 semi tones; a minor third is > comprised of 3 semi tones. > Minor chords are comprised of one minor third and one major third in that order. > Work out all of the chords based on the notes by extending the C major scale by > one octave C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C. > There’s a "devilish" chord, different from the rest. What is it? > Be careful, music theory is a highly refined social contraction; for your > immediate need need to know, you may want to look at the most common chord > progressions in popular music. > You may want to do a "google" search on guitar chord progressions. > To answer your question on web sites try the following: > Christopher Roberts has taken the time and the effort to produce excellent "txt" > based lessons for alt.guitar.beginner. > http://members.aol.com/snglstringtheory/guitar/index.html > John homes in on the play-by-ear approach. > http://members.tripod.com/~johncomino/ > jmaw > > Hi to all this is my first time here, > > Anyway I am a Worship Leader and am wanting to learn how to play a song in a > > certain key, and then to learn, if its in say the key of "G" then what are > > the other chords that go with it, and then to change keys and know what the > > chords are. Basically i’m self taught, and have been playing for 8yrs , but > > Ive got to a stage where im getrtting frustrated because i can only go so > > far, i alsom want to play by ear. > > Can anyone direct me to a website that can teach me, or can anyone send me > > stuff via email to help me, or give me lessons via email, i really would > > appreciate it. > > — > > Yours in Youth / Children’s Ministry > > Pastor Rory Windell > > P/Bag x9027 > > East London > > 5200 > > Tel: 043-7420119 Ext 209 > > Fax: 043-7431994 > > Cell: 0847207167 > > http://riverministries.co.za
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No. I should have edited the work before posting. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > and another slip of the keyboard, perhaps: > makes a Dmin chord. > DEF? > Rory: > There’s a mistake in the chromatic scale: it should read [A#Bb] rather > than [AbB]. > jmaw > > Rory: > > You’re on the right track, a little theory would help you to understand > how > > chords are constructed and how they relate to a key; and how common > "cultural" > > chord progressions have evolved. Here’s the theory drift. > > There are 7 notes in the major scale. Key of C no sharps or flats = > > C,D,E,F,G,A,B > > By combining every other note you build chords (triads): C,E,G makes a > Cmaj > > chord; D,E,F makes a Dmin chord. > > Ask yourself why a major and then a minor? > > The answer, intervals, i.e., tones or steps: > > The chromatic "western" scale is comprised of 12 semi tones or half > steps. > > [C] [C#/Db] [D] [D#Eb] [E] [F] [F#Gb] [G] [G#/Ab] [A] [AbB] > [B] > > Major chords are comprised of one major third (C – E) and one minor > third (E – > > G) in that order: a major third is comprised of 4 semi tones; a minor > third is > > comprised of 3 semi tones. > > Minor chords are comprised of one minor third and one major third in > that order. > > Work out all of the chords based on the notes by extending the C major > scale by > > one octave C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C. > > There’s a "devilish" chord, different from the rest. What is it? > > Be careful, music theory is a highly refined social contraction; for > your > > immediate need need to know, you may want to look at the most common > chord > > progressions in popular music. > > You may want to do a "google" search on guitar chord progressions. > > To answer your question on web sites try the following: > > Christopher Roberts has taken the time and the effort to produce > excellent "txt" > > based lessons for alt.guitar.beginner. > > http://members.aol.com/snglstringtheory/guitar/index.html > > John homes in on the play-by-ear approach. > > http://members.tripod.com/~johncomino/ > > jmaw > > > Hi to all this is my first time here, > > > Anyway I am a Worship Leader and am wanting to learn how to play a > song in a > > > certain key, and then to learn, if its in say the key of "G" then what > are > > > the other chords that go with it, and then to change keys and know > what the > > > chords are. Basically i’m self taught, and have been playing for 8yrs > , but > > > Ive got to a stage where im getrtting frustrated because i can only go > so > > > far, i alsom want to play by ear. > > > Can anyone direct me to a website that can teach me, or can anyone > send me > > > stuff via email to help me, or give me lessons via email, i really > would > > > appreciate it. > > > — > > > Yours in Youth / Children’s Ministry > > > Pastor Rory Windell > > > P/Bag x9027 > > > East London > > > 5200 > > > Tel: 043-7420119 Ext 209 > > > Fax: 043-7431994 > > > Cell: 0847207167 > > > http://riverministries.co.za
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> David: > Great circle. Is there such a key as Fb? > jmaw
Fb is the same thing as E. I’m going to assume that’s why David wrote (=Emaj) at the end of his Fb scale. That’s kinda like C# – Db being the same way to phrase the same note in two different ways.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Hi to all this is my first time here, > > Anyway I am a Worship Leader and am wanting to learn how to play a song in a > > certain key, and then to learn, if its in say the key of "G" then what are > > the other chords that go with it, and then to change keys and know what the > > chords are. Basically i’m self taught, and have been playing for 8yrs , but > > Ive got to a stage where im getrtting frustrated because i can only go so > > far, i alsom want to play by ear. > > Can anyone direct me to a website that can teach me, or can anyone send me > > stuff via email to help me, or give me lessons via email, i really would > > appreciate it. > I II III IV V VI VII > Fb maj: Fb Gbm Abm Bbb Cb Dbm Ebo 8 flats (=Emaj) > Cb maj: Cb Dbm Ebm Fb Gb Abm Bbo 7 flats (=Bmaj) > Gb maj: Gb Abm Bbm Cb Db Ebm Fo 6 flats (=F#maj) > Db maj: Db Ebm Fm Gb Ab Bbm Co 5 flats (=C#maj) > Ab maj: Ab Bbm Cm Db Eb Fm Go 4 flats (=G#maj) > Eb maj: Eb Fm Gm Ab Bb Cm Do 3 flats > Bb maj: Bb Cm Dm Eb F Gm Ao 2 flats > F maj: F Gm Am Bb C Dm Eo 1 flat > C maj: C Dm Em F G Am Bo 0 flats or sharps > G maj: G Am Bm C D Em F#o 1 sharp > D maj: D Em F#m G A Bm C#o 2 sharps > A maj: A Bm C#m D E F#m G#o 3 sharps > E maj: E F#m G#m A B C#m D#o 4 sharps (=Fbmaj) > B maj: B C#m D#m E F# G#m A#o 5 sharps (=Cbmaj) > F# maj: F# G#m A#m B C# D#m E#o 6 sharps (=Gbmaj) > C# maj: C# D#m E#m F# G# A#m B#o 7 sharps (=Bbmaj) > G# maj: G# A#m B#m C# D# E#m Fxo 8 sharps (=Abmaj) > Anything more than 6 sharps or flats can be considered of novelty > value due to enharmonic equivalence. > I’ll explain an easy way to remember all of this later.
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David: Great circle. Is there such a key as Fb? jmaw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi to all this is my first time here, > Anyway I am a Worship Leader and am wanting to learn how to play a song in a > certain key, and then to learn, if its in say the key of "G" then what are > the other chords that go with it, and then to change keys and know what the > chords are. Basically i’m self taught, and have been playing for 8yrs , but > Ive got to a stage where im getrtting frustrated because i can only go so > far, i alsom want to play by ear. > Can anyone direct me to a website that can teach me, or can anyone send me > stuff via email to help me, or give me lessons via email, i really would > appreciate it. > I II III IV V VI VII > Fb maj: Fb Gbm Abm Bbb Cb Dbm Ebo 8 flats (=Emaj) > Cb maj: Cb Dbm Ebm Fb Gb Abm Bbo 7 flats (=Bmaj) > Gb maj: Gb Abm Bbm Cb Db Ebm Fo 6 flats (=F#maj) > Db maj: Db Ebm Fm Gb Ab Bbm Co 5 flats (=C#maj) > Ab maj: Ab Bbm Cm Db Eb Fm Go 4 flats (=G#maj) > Eb maj: Eb Fm Gm Ab Bb Cm Do 3 flats > Bb maj: Bb Cm Dm Eb F Gm Ao 2 flats > F maj: F Gm Am Bb C Dm Eo 1 flat > C maj: C Dm Em F G Am Bo 0 flats or sharps > G maj: G Am Bm C D Em F#o 1 sharp > D maj: D Em F#m G A Bm C#o 2 sharps > A maj: A Bm C#m D E F#m G#o 3 sharps > E maj: E F#m G#m A B C#m D#o 4 sharps (=Fbmaj) > B maj: B C#m D#m E F# G#m A#o 5 sharps (=Cbmaj) > F# maj: F# G#m A#m B C# D#m E#o 6 sharps (=Gbmaj) > C# maj: C# D#m E#m F# G# A#m B#o 7 sharps (=Bbmaj) > G# maj: G# A#m B#m C# D# E#m Fxo 8 sharps (=Abmaj) > Anything more than 6 sharps or flats can be considered of novelty > value due to enharmonic equivalence. > I’ll explain an easy way to remember all of this later.
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> Hi to all this is my first time here, > Anyway I am a Worship Leader and am wanting to learn how to play a song in a > certain key, and then to learn, if its in say the key of "G" then what are > the other chords that go with it, and then to change keys and know what the > chords are. Basically i’m self taught, and have been playing for 8yrs , but > Ive got to a stage where im getrtting frustrated because i can only go so > far, i alsom want to play by ear. > Can anyone direct me to a website that can teach me, or can anyone send me > stuff via email to help me, or give me lessons via email, i really would > appreciate it.
I II III IV V VI VII Fb maj: Fb Gbm Abm Bbb Cb Dbm Ebo 8 flats (=Emaj) Cb maj: Cb Dbm Ebm Fb Gb Abm Bbo 7 flats (=Bmaj) Gb maj: Gb Abm Bbm Cb Db Ebm Fo 6 flats (=F#maj) Db maj: Db Ebm Fm Gb Ab Bbm Co 5 flats (=C#maj) Ab maj: Ab Bbm Cm Db Eb Fm Go 4 flats (=G#maj) Eb maj: Eb Fm Gm Ab Bb Cm Do 3 flats Bb maj: Bb Cm Dm Eb F Gm Ao 2 flats F maj: F Gm Am Bb C Dm Eo 1 flat C maj: C Dm Em F G Am Bo 0 flats or sharps G maj: G Am Bm C D Em F#o 1 sharp D maj: D Em F#m G A Bm C#o 2 sharps A maj: A Bm C#m D E F#m G#o 3 sharps E maj: E F#m G#m A B C#m D#o 4 sharps (=Fbmaj) B maj: B C#m D#m E F# G#m A#o 5 sharps (=Cbmaj) F# maj: F# G#m A#m B C# D#m E#o 6 sharps (=Gbmaj) C# maj: C# D#m E#m F# G# A#m B#o 7 sharps (=Bbmaj) G# maj: G# A#m B#m C# D# E#m Fxo 8 sharps (=Abmaj) Anything more than 6 sharps or flats can be considered of novelty value due to enharmonic equivalence. I’ll explain an easy way to remember all of this later.
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Here are some site’s that might be able to help you. Good luck. Puff http://www.donnybravos.com/ndlessonarchive.php http://www.wholenote.com/tracks/default.asp http://www.supersonic.net/guitar/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi to all this is my first time here, > Anyway I am a Worship Leader and am wanting to learn how to play a song in a > certain key, and then to learn, if its in say the key of "G" then what are > the other chords that go with it, and then to change keys and know what the > chords are. Basically i’m self taught, and have been playing for 8yrs , but > Ive got to a stage where im getrtting frustrated because i can only go so > far, i alsom want to play by ear. > Can anyone direct me to a website that can teach me, or can anyone send me > stuff via email to help me, or give me lessons via email, i really would > appreciate it. > — > Yours in Youth / Children’s Ministry > Pastor Rory Windell > P/Bag x9027 > East London > 5200 > Tel: 043-7420119 Ext 209 > Fax: 043-7431994 > Cell: 0847207167 > http://riverministries.co.za
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Rory: There’s a mistake in the chromatic scale: it should read [A#Bb] rather than [AbB]. jmaw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Rory: > You’re on the right track, a little theory would help you to understand how > chords are constructed and how they relate to a key; and how common "cultural" > chord progressions have evolved. Here’s the theory drift. > There are 7 notes in the major scale. Key of C no sharps or flats = > C,D,E,F,G,A,B > By combining every other note you build chords (triads): C,E,G makes a Cmaj > chord; D,E,F makes a Dmin chord. > Ask yourself why a major and then a minor? > The answer, intervals, i.e., tones or steps: > The chromatic "western" scale is comprised of 12 semi tones or half steps. > [C] [C#/Db] [D] [D#Eb] [E] [F] [F#Gb] [G] [G#/Ab] [A] [AbB] [B] > Major chords are comprised of one major third (C – E) and one minor third (E – > G) in that order: a major third is comprised of 4 semi tones; a minor third is > comprised of 3 semi tones. > Minor chords are comprised of one minor third and one major third in that order. > Work out all of the chords based on the notes by extending the C major scale by > one octave C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C. > There’s a "devilish" chord, different from the rest. What is it? > Be careful, music theory is a highly refined social contraction; for your > immediate need need to know, you may want to look at the most common chord > progressions in popular music. > You may want to do a "google" search on guitar chord progressions. > To answer your question on web sites try the following: > Christopher Roberts has taken the time and the effort to produce excellent "txt" > based lessons for alt.guitar.beginner. > http://members.aol.com/snglstringtheory/guitar/index.html > John homes in on the play-by-ear approach. > http://members.tripod.com/~johncomino/ > jmaw > Hi to all this is my first time here, > Anyway I am a Worship Leader and am wanting to learn how to play a song in a > certain key, and then to learn, if its in say the key of "G" then what are > the other chords that go with it, and then to change keys and know what the > chords are. Basically i’m self taught, and have been playing for 8yrs , but > Ive got to a stage where im getrtting frustrated because i can only go so > far, i alsom want to play by ear. > Can anyone direct me to a website that can teach me, or can anyone send me > stuff via email to help me, or give me lessons via email, i really would > appreciate it. > — > Yours in Youth / Children’s Ministry > Pastor Rory Windell > P/Bag x9027 > East London > 5200 > Tel: 043-7420119 Ext 209 > Fax: 043-7431994 > Cell: 0847207167 > http://riverministries.co.za
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Rory: You’re on the right track, a little theory would help you to understand how chords are constructed and how they relate to a key; and how common "cultural" chord progressions have evolved. Here’s the theory drift. There are 7 notes in the major scale. Key of C no sharps or flats = C,D,E,F,G,A,B By combining every other note you build chords (triads): C,E,G makes a Cmaj chord; D,E,F makes a Dmin chord. Ask yourself why a major and then a minor? The answer, intervals, i.e., tones or steps: The chromatic "western" scale is comprised of 12 semi tones or half steps. [C] [C#/Db] [D] [D#Eb] [E] [F] [F#Gb] [G] [G#/Ab] [A] [AbB] [B] Major chords are comprised of one major third (C – E) and one minor third (E – G) in that order: a major third is comprised of 4 semi tones; a minor third is comprised of 3 semi tones. Minor chords are comprised of one minor third and one major third in that order. Work out all of the chords based on the notes by extending the C major scale by one octave C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C. There’s a "devilish" chord, different from the rest. What is it? Be careful, music theory is a highly refined social contraction; for your immediate need need to know, you may want to look at the most common chord progressions in popular music. You may want to do a "google" search on guitar chord progressions. To answer your question on web sites try the following: Christopher Roberts has taken the time and the effort to produce excellent "txt" based lessons for alt.guitar.beginner. http://members.aol.com/snglstringtheory/guitar/index.html John homes in on the play-by-ear approach. http://members.tripod.com/~johncomino/ jmaw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi to all this is my first time here, > Anyway I am a Worship Leader and am wanting to learn how to play a song in a > certain key, and then to learn, if its in say the key of "G" then what are > the other chords that go with it, and then to change keys and know what the > chords are. Basically i’m self taught, and have been playing for 8yrs , but > Ive got to a stage where im getrtting frustrated because i can only go so > far, i alsom want to play by ear. > Can anyone direct me to a website that can teach me, or can anyone send me > stuff via email to help me, or give me lessons via email, i really would > appreciate it. > — > Yours in Youth / Children’s Ministry > Pastor Rory Windell > P/Bag x9027 > East London > 5200 > Tel: 043-7420119 Ext 209 > Fax: 043-7431994 > Cell: 0847207167 > http://riverministries.co.za
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Hi to all this is my first time here, Anyway I am a Worship Leader and am wanting to learn how to play a song in a certain key, and then to learn, if its in say the key of "G" then what are the other chords that go with it, and then to change keys and know what the chords are. Basically i’m self taught, and have been playing for 8yrs , but Ive got to a stage where im getrtting frustrated because i can only go so far, i alsom want to play by ear. Can anyone direct me to a website that can teach me, or can anyone send me stuff via email to help me, or give me lessons via email, i really would appreciate it. — Yours in Youth / Children’s Ministry Pastor Rory Windell P/Bag x9027 East London 5200 Tel: 043-7420119 Ext 209 Fax: 043-7431994 Cell: 0847207167 http://riverministries.co.za
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