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i am indifferent to the question of whether or not communism is practical. and i don’t find this newsgroup over-commercialized, but ’social darwinism’? social darwinism is an uninformed perversion of evolutionary theory. historically, its been used as the ‘basis’ for some pretty unsavory social practices. its not a recognized theory in any scientific or academic discipline. its like horoscopy or enneagrams. if you believe in it fine, but its inappropriate to use it to buttress a serious argument. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Communism is a beautiful theory, it just won’t work past very >small groups. Social Darwinism precludes the possibility of communism >ever working on a grand scale. This has been proven time and again >throughout the history of humankind. > Ah well, back to guitar. >"You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to me!"
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Ted is a great player and I think that his lessons can be very usefull for the beginners. So take yours guitars and let the music do the talking !!!
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: social darwinism is an uninformed perversion of evolutionary theory. : historically, its been used as the ‘basis’ for some pretty unsavory : social practices. its not a recognized theory in any scientific or : academic discipline. its like horoscopy or enneagrams. if you believe : in it fine, but its inappropriate to use it to buttress a serious : argument. Hi, I’d love to have this discussion with you, but I think that I’ve posted enough off-topic crap and I don’t think that a.g.b. is the appropriate forum for it so let’s take it off-group. I’ll try the e-mail addy in your headers (minus the extra ‘m’ of course) and see if that works. "You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to me!"
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So you’ve decided that the *amount* of Ted’s suggestions has grown to be too much? Exactly who are you to make that distinction? Yes, our "interests" here at agb are very different: my interest is to help give beginners a clearer path to learn the guitar. Yours seems to be to have some sort of control over a "free" newsgroup. Ted does point to other guitarists with useful information. He tends to point to his own material, as he has worked hard in writing the material that does it’s best to point the beginner in the simplest direction to becoming a guitarist. Ted doesn’t come on here citing his book; he comes here and cites his free lessons, that usually have to do with the question at hand. How exactly is that trolling? Do you know the definition of trolling? A troll is someone who posts topics only to start controversy and flame wars. The fact that you’ve decided to take this to the newsgroups and denounce Ted in multiple newsgroups reveals *you* to be the troll here. For your information, which is obviously flawed, due to your haste to police the newsgroups, Marc Sabatella is not a guitarist. He also has a signature at the bottom of each of his posts that points one to his website, which offers a number of his products for sale. Is he a troll, too? If you are not interested in "flaming", then you’d be well-advised to watch who you are publicly denouncing in your holy crusade to free the newsgroups of capitalism. If you continue to support this view in the manner which you’ve chosen, you cannot avoid being flamed and denounced yourself. For someone who only offers advice such as "keep practicing, the guitar doesn’t give up it’s secrets easily", you’ve got a lot of nerve crying "troll". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Mike: > I can see with differ slightly in our "interest" here at agb. I’ve purchased > Ted’s books and as you can read from Daniel’s posts, I’m consistent in my views > regarding "guitar teachers" who, also happen to be "marketers" and "capitalists" > hanging around agb peddling their wares. > Yes, Ted has "free" stuff on his site, but he’s only recently begun to "troll" > this group in the last six months. Ted will say that he’s really just interested > in helping beginner guitarists, but, in my opinion, he also has ulterior, profit > motives. If this were not so, he would point to other "jazz guitarists" who > have, equally useful information. I have in the past mentioned Ted’s site on agp > as useful to beginners as well as http://www.guitar-masters.com, Perry Terhune’s > site; Mark Sabatella’s site http://www.outsideshore.com/, and numerous others. > None these guitarist "troll" this group, just Ted, and as a beginner I know how > vulnerable we are to "marketing" pitches. > I have a point of view and I try to express it in a manner benefiting civility, > could you please try to reduce the "tone" of your "opinions". Insults often > lead to pointless "flaming", which I’m not interested in. > Lastly, USENET from its inception contained a "leftist" bent. It emerged as a > service by academics to share information "freely", and always discouraged > members from selling their wares. If you need to sell something go to > alt.rec.forsale. Restricting "marketers" from trolling groups is the > responsibility of the whole group. And Ted V., although a very sweet and > congenial individual, does not respect this convention at agp, in my opinion. > Nor does any other "capitalist" who attempts to capitalize on beginner > guitarist’s with their product that they’ve worked so hard to produce. Simply > stated, agp, in my opinion, is not a vehicle to sell your "guitar material", and > I’ll continue to support this view. > jmaw > Who the hell do you think you are? This group isn’t moderated, by you or any > other single person. Ted offers free lessons in a number of important > concepts that would keep beginners busy learning for a long time. He also > has a very informative book for sale which allows him to keep posting > information and free lessons. Is this "usenet spirit" something that allows > lazy assholes like you to get things for free because they can’t be bothered > with lessons? I hate to be the one to break it to you, kid, but in order to > have quality lessons, etc., one needs to be able to afford to create said > lessons, which means making some money from them. The fact that Ted offers a > great amount of information for free is a wonderful thing, especially for > such a "capitalist asshole." Take your hippie, communist view of the world > and spew it someplace else.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > vgasdf: > > You need to spend some time learning. The guitar doesn’t give up its > > secrets easily. > > It’s taken me two and a half years to begin to understand the Major scale, > > its modes and how they relate to chords/arpeggios. > > Take your time. > > This newgroup has far too many "capitalist assholes" hanging out their > > shingle. For the sake of the USENET spirit, go sell yourself somewhere > > else. > > Ted this is the second admonition. Now I’m posting to > > rec.music.makers.jazz.guitar to mention your "greedy grasp" at beginners. > > Did I mention Ted Vierra and John Blackwell? > > > Any tips on learning scales? Currently I am learning G Major. I know > > > all modes/positions and im now memorizing each string. Any tips? > > > This seems impossible. > > > thanks
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: Well, maybe he could put a little more energy into helping beginners, rather : than shooting down those who are helping, whether they’re selling a book or : not. Amen to that, brother. Amen. : He’s got a chip on his shoulder, and he obviously doesn’t understand that : communism doesn’t work. Communism is a beautiful theory, it just won’t work past very small groups. Social Darwinism precludes the possibility of communism ever working on a grand scale. This has been proven time and again throughout the history of humankind. Ah well, back to guitar. "You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to me!"
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Wright, You addressed this ti Mike, but I’m going to respond as well because I like sticking my big fat head into places it don’t belong (I’m not kidding when I say I have a big head… the Army didn’t have BDU caps big enough to fit my noggin!).
: I can see with differ slightly in our "interest" here at agb. I’ve purchased : Ted’s books and as you can read from Daniel’s posts, I’m consistent in my views : regarding "guitar teachers" who, also happen to be "marketers" and "capitalists" : hanging around agb peddling their wares. The problem that I have with our differing views on a.g.b. is that I see it as a place to learn and help others where I can. Primarily a place to learn, though. You, who rarely posts anything of direct value to playing guitar, seem to see it as your place to police this newsgroup. The people that you seem to target, though, are always people who have contributed good guitar related material, insight, advice, suggestions, free lessons, etc… You seem to be the only one who is offended by someone offering good contributions that may contain a little self-promotion. You’ll note that no one has spoken for your point of view other than you. You’ve actually done more to draw off-topic posts than the person you are condemning. Some might say that this makes you a troll. : Yes, Ted has "free" stuff on his site, but he’s only recently begun to "troll" : this group in the last six months. Ted will say that he’s really just interested : in helping beginner guitarists, but, in my opinion, he also has ulterior, profit : motives. If this were not so, he would point to other "jazz guitarists" who : have, equally useful information. I have in the past mentioned Ted’s site on agp : as useful to beginners as well as http://www.guitar-masters.com, Perry Terhune’s : site; Mark Sabatella’s site http://www.outsideshore.com/, and numerous others. : None these guitarist "troll" this group, just Ted, and as a beginner I know how : vulnerable we are to "marketing" pitches. Are you Ted? How do you have this wonderful insight into his motives and though processes? : I have a point of view and I try to express it in a manner benefiting civility, : could you please try to reduce the "tone" of your "opinions". Insults often : lead to pointless "flaming", which I’m not interested in. I hope that you don’t perceive this as a flame, as that is not my intent. Rather, I am trying to point out to you that you are doing more harm to this newsgroup than good. You are doing more to pull a.g.b. away from helping beginners than anyone else at this point in time. You have no support for your position in terms of others backing your point of view. Your civility is admirable. You motives may even be as well; the world needs more idealists. Your method is flawed and detrimental. Please stop. : Lastly, USENET from its inception contained a "leftist" bent. It emerged as a : service by academics to share information "freely", and always discouraged : members from selling their wares. If you need to sell something go to : alt.rec.forsale. Restricting "marketers" from trolling groups is the : responsibility of the whole group. And Ted V., although a very sweet and : congenial individual, does not respect this convention at agp, in my opinion. : Nor does any other "capitalist" who attempts to capitalize on beginner : guitarist’s with their product that they’ve worked so hard to produce. Simply : stated, agp, in my opinion, is not a vehicle to sell your "guitar material", and : I’ll continue to support this view. You are absolutely correct about the history of UseNet and the Internet in general. It was conceived as an idea exchange forum for academics. Design and application, however, are completely different things. Change is the nature of life and existence. The Internet generally, and UseNet specifically, has taken on a life of its own and has been growing and changing throughout its existence. There’s not a damned thing that you or I can do about it other than trying to do our best to keep it growing in a good direction. Trying to force it back into a mold that it will no longer fit, as you are trying to do is futile and counter-productive, doing more harm than good. It’s a little like trying to bind a woman’s feet to forcefully keep them from growing and changing. Please stop. If it really bugs you that much, take it to private e-mail or to the individuals ISP. You’re hurting this newsgroup more than the people that you are trying net-cop. "You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to me!"
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In all the rumpus on the newsgroup, you may have got lost along the way. Did you find out what you needed? If not, what was missing and I will personally try to track down what you need. I’ll post this and hope I don’t provoke any more ructions. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Any tips on learning scales? Currently I am learning G Major. I know >all modes/positions and im now memorizing each string. Any tips? >This seems impossible. >thanks
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Hey, This whole thing from Wright just harkens back to his little vendetta against Tim Gillespie a year or two ago. As long as someone is contributing to the goal of helping beginners, a little self-promotion is perfectly acceptable, IMO. "You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to me!"
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Well, maybe he could put a little more energy into helping beginners, rather than shooting down those who are helping, whether they’re selling a book or not. He’s got a chip on his shoulder, and he obviously doesn’t understand that communism doesn’t work. > Hey, > This whole thing from Wright just harkens back to his little > vendetta against Tim Gillespie a year or two ago. As long as someone is > contributing to the goal of helping beginners, a little self-promotion > is perfectly acceptable, IMO.
> "You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to me!"
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Mike: I can see with differ slightly in our "interest" here at agb. I’ve purchased Ted’s books and as you can read from Daniel’s posts, I’m consistent in my views regarding "guitar teachers" who, also happen to be "marketers" and "capitalists" hanging around agb peddling their wares. Yes, Ted has "free" stuff on his site, but he’s only recently begun to "troll" this group in the last six months. Ted will say that he’s really just interested in helping beginner guitarists, but, in my opinion, he also has ulterior, profit motives. If this were not so, he would point to other "jazz guitarists" who have, equally useful information. I have in the past mentioned Ted’s site on agp as useful to beginners as well as http://www.guitar-masters.com, Perry Terhune’s site; Mark Sabatella’s site http://www.outsideshore.com/, and numerous others. None these guitarist "troll" this group, just Ted, and as a beginner I know how vulnerable we are to "marketing" pitches. I have a point of view and I try to express it in a manner benefiting civility, could you please try to reduce the "tone" of your "opinions". Insults often lead to pointless "flaming", which I’m not interested in. Lastly, USENET from its inception contained a "leftist" bent. It emerged as a service by academics to share information "freely", and always discouraged members from selling their wares. If you need to sell something go to alt.rec.forsale. Restricting "marketers" from trolling groups is the responsibility of the whole group. And Ted V., although a very sweet and congenial individual, does not respect this convention at agp, in my opinion. Nor does any other "capitalist" who attempts to capitalize on beginner guitarist’s with their product that they’ve worked so hard to produce. Simply stated, agp, in my opinion, is not a vehicle to sell your "guitar material", and I’ll continue to support this view. jmaw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Who the hell do you think you are? This group isn’t moderated, by you or any > other single person. Ted offers free lessons in a number of important > concepts that would keep beginners busy learning for a long time. He also > has a very informative book for sale which allows him to keep posting > information and free lessons. Is this "usenet spirit" something that allows > lazy assholes like you to get things for free because they can’t be bothered > with lessons? I hate to be the one to break it to you, kid, but in order to > have quality lessons, etc., one needs to be able to afford to create said > lessons, which means making some money from them. The fact that Ted offers a > great amount of information for free is a wonderful thing, especially for > such a "capitalist asshole." Take your hippie, communist view of the world > and spew it someplace else. > vgasdf: > You need to spend some time learning. The guitar doesn’t give up its > secrets easily. > It’s taken me two and a half years to begin to understand the Major scale, > its modes and how they relate to chords/arpeggios. > Take your time. > This newgroup has far too many "capitalist assholes" hanging out their > shingle. For the sake of the USENET spirit, go sell yourself somewhere > else. > Ted this is the second admonition. Now I’m posting to > rec.music.makers.jazz.guitar to mention your "greedy grasp" at beginners. > Did I mention Ted Vierra and John Blackwell? > > Any tips on learning scales? Currently I am learning G Major. I know > > all modes/positions and im now memorizing each string. Any tips? > > This seems impossible. > > thanks
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Who the hell do you think you are? This group isn’t moderated, by you or any other single person. Ted offers free lessons in a number of important concepts that would keep beginners busy learning for a long time. He also has a very informative book for sale which allows him to keep posting information and free lessons. Is this "usenet spirit" something that allows lazy assholes like you to get things for free because they can’t be bothered with lessons? I hate to be the one to break it to you, kid, but in order to have quality lessons, etc., one needs to be able to afford to create said lessons, which means making some money from them. The fact that Ted offers a great amount of information for free is a wonderful thing, especially for such a "capitalist asshole." Take your hippie, communist view of the world and spew it someplace else. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > vgasdf: > You need to spend some time learning. The guitar doesn’t give up its > secrets easily. > It’s taken me two and a half years to begin to understand the Major scale, > its modes and how they relate to chords/arpeggios. > Take your time. > This newgroup has far too many "capitalist assholes" hanging out their > shingle. For the sake of the USENET spirit, go sell yourself somewhere > else. > Ted this is the second admonition. Now I’m posting to > rec.music.makers.jazz.guitar to mention your "greedy grasp" at beginners. > Did I mention Ted Vierra and John Blackwell? > Any tips on learning scales? Currently I am learning G Major. I know > all modes/positions and im now memorizing each string. Any tips? > This seems impossible. > thanks
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > vgasdf: > You need to spend some time learning. The guitar doesn’t give up its > secrets easily. > It’s taken me two and a half years to begin to understand the Major scale, > its modes and how they relate to chords/arpeggios. > Take your time. > This newgroup has far too many "capitalist assholes" hanging out their > shingle. For the sake of the USENET spirit, go sell yourself somewhere > else. > Ted this is the second admonition. Now I’m posting to > rec.music.makers.jazz.guitar to mention your "greedy grasp" at beginners. > Did I mention Ted Vierra and John Blackwell?
The original poster said he was having difficulty in learning scales. Ted posted a link to some free lessons that help you learn scales. I don’t see why you have a problem with that.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> vgasdf: > You need to spend some time learning. The guitar doesn’t give up its > secrets easily. > It’s taken me two and a half years to begin to understand the Major scale, > its modes and how they relate to chords/arpeggios. > Take your time. > This newgroup has far too many "capitalist assholes" hanging out their > shingle. For the sake of the USENET spirit, go sell yourself somewhere > else. > Ted this is the second admonition. Now I’m posting to > rec.music.makers.jazz.guitar to mention your "greedy grasp" at beginners. > Did I mention Ted Vierra and John Blackwell? > The original poster said he was having difficulty in learning scales. > Ted posted a link to some free lessons that help you learn scales. I > don’t see why you have a problem with that.
I’m going to second that and add that Ted’s one of the great resources on to cease and desist. When he starts adding as much to this newsgroup as Ted does, then he’s got some ground to stand on. Funny how he’s the only one here insulted by Ted’s posting. Sounds like he could use some of Ted’s free lessons and start practicing, as opposed to his sneaky, underhanded trolling, along with working hard to make Ted look bad. I think he’s got a long way to go…
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Check out free lessons #2 and #3 on my website at: http://TedVieira.com/onlinelessons/index.html That should give you some help on learning your scales and being able to play them to all keys. Ted Vieira _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ http://TedVieira.com Bio Info, Free Online Guitar Instruction, Instructional Books, Articles, hear my CDs and more… — Warm jazz guitar combined with latin & funk: Check out my CD, "Perfect Night" at: http://TedVieira.com/sounds.html _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Organization: AT&T Broadband > Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner > Any tips on learning scales? Currently I am learning G Major. I know > all modes/positions and im now memorizing each string. Any tips? > This seems impossible. > thanks
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vgasdf: You need to spend some time learning. The guitar doesn’t give up its secrets easily. It’s taken me two and a half years to begin to understand the Major scale, its modes and how they relate to chords/arpeggios. Take your time. This newgroup has far too many "capitalist assholes" hanging out their shingle. For the sake of the USENET spirit, go sell yourself somewhere else. Ted this is the second admonition. Now I’m posting to rec.music.makers.jazz.guitar to mention your "greedy grasp" at beginners. Did I mention Ted Vierra and John Blackwell? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Any tips on learning scales? Currently I am learning G Major. I know > all modes/positions and im now memorizing each string. Any tips? > This seems impossible. > thanks
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: Thanks for the help guys, but since im just learning scales and am a : beginner, I have no idea about what youre saying. Hey, Sorry about that. Rather than wasting bandwidth on a rant about stuff past the beginner level I should have focused on your questions specifically. I’ll try to do that here. : Besides learning the different modes up and down the neck, are there : other exercises that go diagonaly down the neck, or down a few : strings? : thanks There are different scale patterns that move you diagonally across the fretboard. If you can find a diagram of the entire fretboard identifying each note, you can figure out your own scale patterns to play that will take you wherever you want to go. Figuring out your own patterns will teach you a lot and really familiarize you with the fretboard. I think that I have a nice graphic of the whole fretboard, if you’d like it. If you aren’t at a point yet where you feel comfortable making up your own scale patterns, I could tab out the one’s that I use as my warm-up exercise (playing all of the Major and minor scales following the Circle of Fifths is a wonderful warm-up, though some find it boring). These patterns aren’t anything special, but they do move you around the fretboard rather than staying in a four or five fret box. Would any of these things help at all? Oh, and for more information on the Circle of Fifths, try searching Google if you are interested. There is a ton of info out there, though some of it is a little advanced. If you ever tackle more advanced theory, the Circle of Fifths becomes crucial. "You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to me!"
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If you want to try out some other lessons, most of the guitar magazines offer something. At the moment, Guitar Player (www.guitarplayer.com) has something on arpeggios (perhaps leave that one till later). Guitar One (www.guitaronemag.com) has some stuff in columns and features. For the UK, Guitarist (www.guitarist.co.uk) and Total Guitar (www.totalguitar.co.uk) both have various lessons, some covering scales. Perhaps what might be best are some of the later lessons from Marshall (www.marshallamps.com). There are even lessons from Jazz Guitar Online (www.jazzguitar.com), but probably these are more for those building on from basic technique. Eventually, as one of the other contributors said, you will probably have to understand the theory behind it. Like I said earlier, I found using interval awareness over the CAGED shapes useful to translate theory into putting your fingers where you want to on the guitar. Some people prefer to go for standard musical notation. Some others (including some very wealthy players) just stick to either blues boxes, tab or just play by ear. I think its good to try different techniques, to see which fits for you. Find a way that suits you and try a few others. But most of all, enjoy it. Guitar playing is meant to be enjoyable! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Thanks for the help guys, but since im just learning scales and am a >beginner, I have no idea about what youre saying. >Besides learning the different modes up and down the neck, are there >other exercises that go diagonaly down the neck, or down a few >strings? >thanks >: Scales will only get you so far. If you really want to >: improvise and your melody to sound like it belongs to the chords >: behind it, you need to do arpeggios (the notes that the chord is made >: up from). This is very hard if you work off standard musical notation >: (unless you are an ace sight reader!). You can use the CAGED system, >: which gets you over most of the problems. >John, > The CAGED system is a system of scales so how will they take >you any further than any other system of scales? Arpeggios are NOT >limited to the CAGED system. Arpeggios, chord theory, and the CAGED >system are all based on the Western diatonic scales and their various >modes. > Anything that can be accomplished with the CAGED system and be >accomplished and developed further with an understanding of diatonic >scales and modes. I don’t see your point at all. >: www.cagedguitarist.com >: There is a lesson there using arpeggios over a blues scale. Try it to >: see if it makes sense to you. > The blues scale is also developed from the diatonic scales and >is neither major nor minor, you can think of it as a diatonic major >scale to which a flat third, diminshed fifth, and flat seventh are added >to approximate the quarter steps that aren’t possible on a fixed pitch >instrument like a guitar or piano. > Using arpeggios over the blues scale is, again, not an >exclusive characteristic of the CAGED system. Decrying the learning of >scales and modes in favor of the CAGED system is ridiculous (espcially >since the CAGED system is a system of scales). Using the CAGED system >as a stepping stone to more advanced music knowledge, however, is an >appropriate use for it. > And as a side note, arpeggios will almost always fit well over >the chords behind them, but can get a little boring if you only limit >your melody/solo to the arpeggio matching the chord being played. > Anyhow, sorry for the rant and waste of bandwidth. I just wish >people wouldn’t tout shortcuts as the end all and be all of music. >"You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to me!"
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Thanks for the help guys, but since im just learning scales and am a beginner, I have no idea about what youre saying. Besides learning the different modes up and down the neck, are there other exercises that go diagonaly down the neck, or down a few strings? thanks – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >: Scales will only get you so far. If you really want to >: improvise and your melody to sound like it belongs to the chords >: behind it, you need to do arpeggios (the notes that the chord is made >: up from). This is very hard if you work off standard musical notation >: (unless you are an ace sight reader!). You can use the CAGED system, >: which gets you over most of the problems. >John, > The CAGED system is a system of scales so how will they take >you any further than any other system of scales? Arpeggios are NOT >limited to the CAGED system. Arpeggios, chord theory, and the CAGED >system are all based on the Western diatonic scales and their various >modes. > Anything that can be accomplished with the CAGED system and be >accomplished and developed further with an understanding of diatonic >scales and modes. I don’t see your point at all. >: www.cagedguitarist.com >: There is a lesson there using arpeggios over a blues scale. Try it to >: see if it makes sense to you. > The blues scale is also developed from the diatonic scales and >is neither major nor minor, you can think of it as a diatonic major >scale to which a flat third, diminshed fifth, and flat seventh are added >to approximate the quarter steps that aren’t possible on a fixed pitch >instrument like a guitar or piano. > Using arpeggios over the blues scale is, again, not an >exclusive characteristic of the CAGED system. Decrying the learning of >scales and modes in favor of the CAGED system is ridiculous (espcially >since the CAGED system is a system of scales). Using the CAGED system >as a stepping stone to more advanced music knowledge, however, is an >appropriate use for it. > And as a side note, arpeggios will almost always fit well over >the chords behind them, but can get a little boring if you only limit >your melody/solo to the arpeggio matching the chord being played. > Anyhow, sorry for the rant and waste of bandwidth. I just wish >people wouldn’t tout shortcuts as the end all and be all of music. >"You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to me!"
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Scales will only get you so far. If you really want to improvise and your melody to sound like it belongs to the chords behind it, you need to do arpeggios (the notes that the chord is made up from). This is very hard if you work off standard musical notation (unless you are an ace sight reader!). You can use the CAGED system, which gets you over most of the problems. www.cagedguitarist.com There is a lesson there using arpeggios over a blues scale. Try it to see if it makes sense to you. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Any tips on learning scales? Currently I am learning G Major. I know >all modes/positions and im now memorizing each string. Any tips? >This seems impossible. >thanks
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> Scales will only get you so far. If you really want to > improvise and your melody to sound like it belongs to the chords > behind it, you need to do arpeggios (the notes that the chord is made > up from). This is very hard if you work off standard musical notation > (unless you are an ace sight reader!). You can use the CAGED system, > which gets you over most of the problems. > www.cagedguitarist.com > There is a lesson there using arpeggios over a blues scale. Try it to > see if it makes sense to you. > John
This pitchman should be "caged." Everytime someone comes on here asking for a little free help with scales, this guy jumps into the conversation with deposit ticket in hand.
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: Scales will only get you so far. If you really want to : improvise and your melody to sound like it belongs to the chords : behind it, you need to do arpeggios (the notes that the chord is made : up from). This is very hard if you work off standard musical notation : (unless you are an ace sight reader!). You can use the CAGED system, : which gets you over most of the problems. John, The CAGED system is a system of scales so how will they take you any further than any other system of scales? Arpeggios are NOT limited to the CAGED system. Arpeggios, chord theory, and the CAGED system are all based on the Western diatonic scales and their various modes. Anything that can be accomplished with the CAGED system and be accomplished and developed further with an understanding of diatonic scales and modes. I don’t see your point at all. : www.cagedguitarist.com : There is a lesson there using arpeggios over a blues scale. Try it to : see if it makes sense to you. The blues scale is also developed from the diatonic scales and is neither major nor minor, you can think of it as a diatonic major scale to which a flat third, diminshed fifth, and flat seventh are added to approximate the quarter steps that aren’t possible on a fixed pitch instrument like a guitar or piano. Using arpeggios over the blues scale is, again, not an exclusive characteristic of the CAGED system. Decrying the learning of scales and modes in favor of the CAGED system is ridiculous (espcially since the CAGED system is a system of scales). Using the CAGED system as a stepping stone to more advanced music knowledge, however, is an appropriate use for it. And as a side note, arpeggios will almost always fit well over the chords behind them, but can get a little boring if you only limit your melody/solo to the arpeggio matching the chord being played. Anyhow, sorry for the rant and waste of bandwidth. I just wish people wouldn’t tout shortcuts as the end all and be all of music. "You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to me!"
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Any tips on learning scales? Currently I am learning G Major. I know all modes/positions and im now memorizing each string. Any tips? This seems impossible. thanks
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<< Any tips on learning scales? Currently I am learning G Major. I know all modes/positions and im now memorizing each string. Any tips? This seems impossible. >> Then I wouldn’t worry about it. Put more time into studying the keys and where the modes of each key are. You will use that information more often then the name of each note.
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I just uploaded a short lesson explaining the Lydain mode if you want to check it out follow this link… http://www.geocities.com/trollstjerne/Lydian-mode.html Morten. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Any tips on learning scales? Currently I am learning G Major. I know > all modes/positions and im now memorizing each string. Any tips? > This seems impossible. > thanks
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> Any tips on learning scales? Currently I am learning G Major. I know > all modes/positions and im now memorizing each string. Any tips? > This seems impossible.
So was learning to walk at the time….just keep at it. -=Weasel=-
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oki, once again i need to turn to the newsgroup……lets say i learn the pattern that allows me to play the d# minor pentonic scale all the way up the pattern remain the same? Also any advice whatsoever on learning scales would be
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> oki, once again i need to turn to the newsgroup……lets say i learn > the pattern that allows me to play the d# minor pentonic scale all > switch to the e minor pentonic (besides everything moving up one > fret)…or does this pattern remain the same?
The fingering patterns remain the same. The Emin would be a fret higher. > Also any advice whatsoever on learning scales would be > appreciated…thanks a lot
One very small hint would be to call it "Eb minor pentatonic", not D#. Another great hint is to learn scales in *all keys*. Take each scale and go through the circle of 4ths. Play through the C minor pentatonic ..then to Fmin pent, to Bb, to Eb, Ab, Db/C#, Gb/F#, B, E, A, D, G Usually you’d do this by playing a scale starting on the 6th string, then the next key would be rooted on the 5th string, then the 6th, then the 5th…etc. So, you start on C (6th string 8th fret) and play the C scale up and back. Then you’d go to F (5th string 8th fret) Then to Bb (6th string 6th fret) Then to Eb (5th string 6th fret)…etc. etc. This will teach you the scale really well, but it will also teach you all the different keys too. (and it will teach you the circle of 4ths). Then do this with a bunch of different fingering patterns for the scale. Every scale can be fingered a wide variety of ways. Don’t just learn one way. For the minor pentatonic scale. You should definitely learn it starting with the 1st finger, and then learn it starting with the 4th finger also. good luck. Josh Before you buy.
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> oki, once again i need to turn to the newsgroup……lets say i learn the > pattern that allows me to play the d# minor pentonic scale all the way up the minor this > pattern remain the same? Also any advice whatsoever on learning scales would be
Go to www.wolfmans.com click on online lessons, lesson 4 This has the Minor Pentatonic patterns that interconnect, this makes it so easy to play any of the pent. min. scales. I memorized where the beginning root note for each pattern started which helps to know which pattern comes next or before, took me about a week to learn at 30 mins a day so now I don’t have to check back to my printouts of the scales. Before you buy.
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