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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi I saw your post. It is so hard to comunicate the way one feels > about something with just typing. If I could sit with you face to face > and talk to you I would tell you and demonstrate a method to learn the > guitar that will save you years and years of frustration. We are living > in the year 2000 and are enjoying so many new breakthroughs in all > walks of life. Unfortuanly mainstream guitar education has not moved > forward like it should. The reason is because the main publishers do > not have your progress in mind. The guitar educational books and other > products are being produced as a means to make money and string you > along. They offer a fragmented approach one that someone like me a > student as well laugh at. I take lessons from a guy in orlando who > taught me in 4 months to play any major scale, mode, and pentatonic > scale in every key where ever I want to play it. He is teaching me to > play through a method that saves years. The reason why it saves years > is because I do not have memorize fragmented patterns. I cans see the > whole fretboard in any key from the lowest note to highest note as fast > I need to. I learned to look for visual tools on the neck that guide my > fingers. > This method is so fresh and new that it makes all the traditional > methods in the main publishers books oudated. You should not settle > for anything less than full fretboard visualuization if you can learn > it. It is the most amazing way to see the guitar. I will send you an > outline of the lessons my teacher taught me if you like. Send to > Before you buy.

How many times do you expect to post the same drivel and not to be found out as a spammer? You make it sound like you want to help people when the you are just a fast buck spammer like the rest of them out here. Be honest and upright and make one posting that says you are selling a method that you feel strongly about instead of trying to be sneaky and devious the way you have been. Brad Shoot for the moon, for if you miss, you will be among the stars……. Before you buy.

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Hi I saw your post. It is so hard to comunicate the way one feels about something with just typing. If I could sit with you face to face and talk to you I would tell you and demonstrate a method to learn the guitar that will save you years and years of frustration. We are living in the year 2000 and are enjoying so many new breakthroughs in all walks of life. Unfortuanly mainstream guitar education has not moved forward like it should. The reason is because the main publishers do not have your progress in mind. The guitar educational books and other products are being produced as a means to make money and string you along. They offer a fragmented approach one that someone like me a student as well laugh at. I take lessons from a guy in orlando who taught me in 4 months to play any major scale, mode, and pentatonic scale in every key where ever I want to play it. He is teaching me to play through a method that saves years. The reason why it saves years is because I do not have memorize fragmented patterns. I cans see the whole fretboard in any key from the lowest note to highest note as fast I need to. I learned to look for visual tools on the neck that guide my fingers. This method is so fresh and new that it makes all the traditional methods in the main publishers books oudated. You should not settle for anything less than full fretboard visualuization if you can learn it. It is the most amazing way to see the guitar. I will send you an outline of the lessons my teacher taught me if you like. Send to Before you buy.

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Could someone offer advice on selection of a bow. I have had enough exposure to archery to know I would like to pursue it in a non-hunting way. However I really have no idea of what type of bow to buy. Any input on equipment, brands, etc. for non-hunting, non-competition, just personal use would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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J Miller, It is hard for me to understand non competition and non hunting. That dosen’t really leave much. I have been shooting a bow for about fifteen years and I still find it hard to get motivated if it’s not hunting season. If your not sure this is something your really not going to do all the time my recomendation is to spend as little as possible and buy a compound of mid range weight. A 50 or 60 lb. bow is plenty of power and will build your strength for a later purchase. Also have pin sights and try one of the new releases. Don’t worry so much about brand name at this point. If you have a sportsmans club or archery range close by thats the most helpful place to start. You’ll find fellow shooters to be very halpful and friendly. Good luck!

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> J Miller, > It is hard for me to understand non competition and non hunting. That dosen’t > really leave much. I have been shooting a bow for about fifteen years and I > still find it hard to get motivated if it’s not hunting season. If your not > sure this is something your really not going to do all the time my > recomendation is to spend as little as possible and buy a compound of mid range > weight. A 50 or 60 lb. bow is plenty of power and will build your strength for > a later purchase. Also have pin sights and try one of the new releases. Don’t > worry so much about brand name at this point. > If you have a sportsmans club or archery range close by thats the most > helpful place to start. You’ll find fellow shooters to be very halpful and > friendly. Good luck!

I can understand shooting non-hunting, non-competition, it’s called simply loving archery! I hunt, but don’t compete, but I shoot all year ’round simply because I enjoy it. J. Miller, Probably the first thing you need to do is decide what type of archery you want to pursue. Go to a local range, club, or pro shop and see if you can shoot some various bows. Try the longbows, recurves, and compounds. Most likely, you’ll find one type or the other that suits your tastes the best. After you’ve got that figured out, shoot some various bows of that type, and see what you like. You may also want to go to your local public library and pick up a beginner’s book on archery. It’ll familiarize you with some terminology, equipment, and basic principles. This will help you get much more out of your trip to the pro shop or range. Good luck, and if you come up with any specific questions, by all means, post ‘em! We’re happy to help. later, Andy C.

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Depends where you live friend. If in the UK then try GNAS on the web. Within archery you can shoot target (Olympic type). Longbow (a la Robin Hood) Recurve, Compound (with and without the frills). Take advise from genuine archers and NOT from that guy who is only interested in selling you something. Give your location and I am sure there will be someone out there will help. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Could someone offer advice on selection of a bow. I have had enough exposure >to archery to know I would like to pursue it in a non-hunting way. However I >really have no idea of what type of bow to buy. Any input on equipment, >brands, etc. for non-hunting, non-competition, just personal use would be >appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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Suggest you connect with the local archery pro shop or your Local JOAD group. That’s Junior Olympic Archery Development program. There’s always a good coach or two to to connect with. Start with no more than 20# to develop form. Trust me on this. If you can’t find anyone to get you going, e-mail me and we’ll go to plan B. Patrick

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Welcome and Greetings Laurent. and…for what it’s worth, the only thing I do slower than talk, is run. — -rob O< now that’s sloooowww! /() ^^

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hallo, > i am an absolute bass-beginner and i am looking > for some some help on the net! > if your have an url where i can find some info > that would be nice > thanks > Laurent > Luxembourg(Europe)

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hallo, i am an absolute bass-beginner and i am looking for some some help on the net! if your have an url where i can find some info that would be nice thanks Laurent Luxembourg(Europe)

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hang on, here they come… Rob, paging lynxmastr… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

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*drum roll* and "Bam!" http://activebass.com/ http://www.bass101.com/ http://www.electricbass.com/ http://www.wheatdesign.com/bassbook/index.html www.anthonyvitti.com http://www.bassically.net/home.cfm http://www.zone0ne.com/bassics/html/noframe.htm http://www.visionmusic.com/ http://www.libster.com/ http://www.unpronounceable.com/bass/index.html http://www.good-ear.com/ http://www.musictheory.halifax.ns.ca/index.html http://www.unpronounceable.com/bass/index.html http://peterduncan.net/bass_faqs.html#13 http://www.globalbass.com/ http://www.mikevisceglia.com/ http://www.outsideshore.com/primer/primer/ms-primer-4-2.html http://www.basslinks.com/ http://zzz.ch/ http://www.playthebass.com/ http://www.rodgoelz.com/samplelessons.htm http://www.cyberfretbass.com/index.html http://www.musicplayer.com/CDA/Player/Main/1,2228,Lessons-Bassist,00…. These should keep you busy. Enjoy. — -rob O< keeper of the lynx /() ^^

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hang on, here they come… > Rob, paging lynxmastr… > — > http://members.home.net/xush2/ > hallo, > i am an absolute bass-beginner and i am looking > for some some help on the net! > if your have an url where i can find some info > that would be nice > thanks > Laurent > Luxembourg(Europe)

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Rob Kloka, everyone… wasn’t he just lovely… & he can run as fast as he can sing… I’m tellin ya cuz I know… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> *drum roll* and "Bam!" > http://activebass.com/ > http://www.bass101.com/ > http://www.electricbass.com/ > http://www.wheatdesign.com/bassbook/index.html > www.anthonyvitti.com > http://www.bassically.net/home.cfm > http://www.zone0ne.com/bassics/html/noframe.htm > http://www.visionmusic.com/ > http://www.libster.com/ > http://www.unpronounceable.com/bass/index.html > http://www.good-ear.com/ > http://www.musictheory.halifax.ns.ca/index.html > http://www.unpronounceable.com/bass/index.html > http://peterduncan.net/bass_faqs.html#13 > http://www.globalbass.com/ > http://www.mikevisceglia.com/ > http://www.outsideshore.com/primer/primer/ms-primer-4-2.html > http://www.basslinks.com/ > http://zzz.ch/ > http://www.playthebass.com/ > http://www.rodgoelz.com/samplelessons.htm > http://www.cyberfretbass.com/index.html > http://www.musicplayer.com/CDA/Player/Main/1,2228,Lessons-Bassist,00…. > These should keep you busy. Enjoy. > — > -rob > O< keeper of the lynx > /() > ^^ > hang on, here they come… > Rob, paging lynxmastr… > — > http://members.home.net/xush2/ > > hallo, > > i am an absolute bass-beginner and i am looking > > for some some help on the net! > > if your have an url where i can find some info > > that would be nice > > thanks > > Laurent > > Luxembourg(Europe)

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Keeper of the Lynx strikes again. Fine job. He’ll be here all week at the Reno Holiday Inn! Runs as fast as he can….??? Nevermind. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Rob Kloka, everyone… > wasn’t he just lovely… > & he can run as fast as he can sing… > I’m tellin ya cuz I know… > — > http://members.home.net/xush2/ > *drum roll* and "Bam!" > http://activebass.com/ > http://www.bass101.com/ > http://www.electricbass.com/ > http://www.wheatdesign.com/bassbook/index.html > www.anthonyvitti.com > http://www.bassically.net/home.cfm > http://www.zone0ne.com/bassics/html/noframe.htm > http://www.visionmusic.com/ > http://www.libster.com/ > http://www.unpronounceable.com/bass/index.html > http://www.good-ear.com/ > http://www.musictheory.halifax.ns.ca/index.html > http://www.unpronounceable.com/bass/index.html > http://peterduncan.net/bass_faqs.html#13 > http://www.globalbass.com/ > http://www.mikevisceglia.com/ > http://www.outsideshore.com/primer/primer/ms-primer-4-2.html > http://www.basslinks.com/ > http://zzz.ch/ > http://www.playthebass.com/ > http://www.rodgoelz.com/samplelessons.htm > http://www.cyberfretbass.com/index.html > http://www.musicplayer.com/CDA/Player/Main/1,2228,Lessons-Bassist,00…. > These should keep you busy. Enjoy. > — > -rob > O< keeper of the lynx > /() > ^^ > > hang on, here they come… > > Rob, paging lynxmastr… > > — > > http://members.home.net/xush2/ > > > hallo, > > > i am an absolute bass-beginner and i am looking > > > for some some help on the net! > > > if your have an url where i can find some info > > > that would be nice > > > thanks > > > Laurent > > > Luxembourg(Europe)

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Here’s another great bass site for all levels www.activebass.com

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I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp what is the least i could spend??? used or new

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In Musicians Friend they often put together packages with basses, amps, gig bags, etc.. Most of the ones like that I have seen are Fender and Rogue. I would stay away from Fender’s lower end stuff, but a lot of people would say the same about Rogue. Another thing you could do is look at the cheaper Yamaha’s, I’ve never played a bad Yamaha, including basses, guitars, drums, and horns. You would probably have to buy a separate amp with that though. Hope I helped, Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp >what is the least i could spend??? >used or new

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> I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp > what is the least i could spend??? > used or new

I saw a used Lotus with a missing volume knob at a yard sale last week for three dollars. Plug it into your stereo and you have a pretty cheap set-up. – Sterno — M’muh!

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> what is the least i could spend???

better question, what is the least you could spend and get quality. I won’t spout off my brand preference and stuff, just make sure you get something you are gonna enjoy playing, and that’ll last long enough to get you through the beginning years. I personally play a Cort 5-string, it was my first bass, and I love her to death. To each his own. "Hockey, better than any other thing, expresses Canada. It is, perhaps, our only truly national expression which cuts across language, race, age, and distance." -Bruce Hutchison MacLean’s Magazine (1950) Joe Boughner Carleton University

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I would get a newspaper that deals in gear for sale. Then check for stores that sell used gear. Maybe even check Ebay. Bottom line: your money will go farther in the used market. As far as what to get: go to music stores and start trying stuff out. Rick White

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As another recent beginner I have this advice to offer: Look around for a music store in your area that rents instruments. Most places allow you to "rent to own" the stuff. Personally, I’m renting a mind-range Yamaha for about $30 a month. I can either go the full 11 months and own the bass, pay it off early at anytime, or apply what I’ve spent to rent the Yamaha towards a more expensive bass at anytime. I would look for a deal simialr to this one in your area.

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Your question is about as broad as it gets. We can’t tell you what the perfect bass for you will be…. There is no one, simple answer. What’s right for me is not what’s right for you. Having said that, for entry-level basses I kind of like the Ibanez Soundgear series. Ibanez has offered good value for the money for a long time. These basses have a relatively slim neck, good for those with small hands (like me). (By the way, regarding necks, the standards are the Fender Precision neck and the Fender Jazz neck. The Jazz neck is narrower up at the nut than the Precision, which results in a different feel and is important if you’re small of stature. The Ibanez necks are like Jazz bass necks.) Aside from that, you’ll need: A bass amp (NOT a guitar amp). Something like a 50 or 60-watt combo is good enough to get started with. Anything smaller is a waste of time. A cord. An outlet to plug the amp into. A strap. How to start playing it? Pick it up, put one of the fingers of your left hand on the strings, press down, and pluck the string with your right forefinger. Bingo…instant noise. Seriously, just pick the thing up and start fooling around with it. Have someone in a music store show you how to tune it. Find a tune you like with a simple bass line, figure it out by ear, and start practicing. Here’s a hint about getting better fast: KEEP IT SIMPLE! Timing is much more important than fancy riffs. If you can play a single note at *exactly* the right time it’ll sound much better than if you play a complex line that isn’t quite there. If you get *good* new equipment, plan on spending about $1000 US for the whole deal. If you cheap out, you’ll eventually end up replacing some of it. Last, and most important, PRACTICE! droid

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> You can not go wrong with a Fender.They make many differant models and

As the man said, I don’t know how big you or your hands are, but keep in mind that Fenders are usually very heavy, with thick necks. A heavy bass doesn’t seem to be that big a problem at first, but remember that you should be able to wear it for hours. Being able to touch your toes afterwards, without bending over, is not good. A thick neck can be very limiting to your playing style, especially if you have small hands. However, if your hands are big, a narrow neck could be equally limiting, sort of like playing piano with gloves. > Have fun

That says it all. — – Kjetil Aavik

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Hello! I’m very interested in bass guitar . Can anybody tell me which brand of bass guitar is suit for the beginner. And tell me how to start to play it . Also except bass guitar, which equipment I need to have. Thank you!

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>Hello! I’m very interested in bass guitar . Can anybody tell me which brand >of bass guitar is suit for the >beginner. And tell me how to start to play it . Also except bass guitar, >which equipment I need to have.

You need a Bass, amp and guitar cord. A small Crate amp is good for practice. 25 watts is OK for practice. Get the small amp, then take it to the store and TRY THE BASSES! For smal hands there are short scale Basses. Epiphone has two new, the Viola (‘beetle Bass’) and Rivoli. Used there are quite a few, but the Hohner/steinbergers are very good (and I get them for $199) Don

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I have been playing guitar for 3 years now and would like to learn to play bass guitar. can anyone give me any advice on buying my first bass cheers mike

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Play some and see what feels good and sounds good. As someone who has been playing a stringed instrument you should be pretty accustomed to knowing what feels good… of course the bass will require a little more force to fret the notes, and will have a lot more distance between frets. Also, I don’t know if others will agree or not on this, but I would give you the advice that someone gave me when I said I wanted to buy an acoustic guitar. That is, don’t skimp on the instrument because you are a beginner to IT and not because you are a beginner to that family of instrument. I was told that I would probably switch over to guitar pretty easily (still haven’t tried) so I should probably get a decent one. I would say the same for bass. Don’t go overboard but buy a quality instrument that you can hang on to if you like bass and are skilled at it. I think the best way for YOU to pick a bass is look for the feel and tone you want from it. There are "good" basses that will play like a 2×4 strung with house wire, and some "junk" that will play great. Your hands know, at least to some extent, what you want, and so do your ears. Regards, Dan > I have been playing guitar for 3 years now and would like to learn to play > bass guitar. can anyone give me any advice on buying my first bass > cheers > mike

– Dan Zimmerman Groove. Before you buy.

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We have a long thread on CIS (Compuserve) in the Guitar section. One everybody seems to like is the Epiphone line of guitars and Basses. I got a brand new Les Paul Epi for $350 at a local dealer. Don

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There’s no price for an "Ibanez" guitar, because it’s a maker not a model. It’s like saying how much for a Ford car, well, do you want a minivan, or a mustang or a 4×4 etc. Is there a particular Ibanez you have in mind? A good company with good prices it Sam Ash. You should call them up and get a price quote from them and then maybe you can go to your music store and at least have an idea of what it should cost. Make sure you have a model name in mind when you call, like Iceman or something. Sam Ash’s toll free # is: 1-800-44-SAM-ASH You Could mail order from them, but I wouldn’t reccomend ordering a guitar through mail order, because they’re delicate and each one is different. You really have to play a guitar before you buy it.

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> I am a beginner looking for a starter bass and I’ve gotten lots of help > from people on this group. Thanks a lot guys! I now have a question. > I’ve been doing some research around the net and I’d like to know what > you guys think of the following brands and prices. I’d like some > feedback as to whether the prices are good and also what you think of > the brand and how it plays and sounds. Thanks. As far as i know all > prices i have are for new basses. > Fender Squire Precision $250 > Fender Squire Jazz $250 > Ibanez TR70 $219 > Ibanez TR50 $199

I play three different Ibanez basses (4,5-string, and fretless). My 4 string is an inexpensive EX series bass and I thought it was a versatile guitar to learn on. When you get more serious about your playing then you can look into something w/ active electronics, but for now I would reccomend the TR 70. – John

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> If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d > like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

I haven’t been in a music store in a long time other than for strings, so I haven’t checked out current prices. The 2 basses I play now are a custom P-J and a 6-string. Before these I played an Ibanez 5-string that a friend of mine now has. It sounded pretty good for the style of music I was playing at that time (Hard rock, usually with 2 guitar players). I live in Canada so any prices *I* may see here would be probably a lot higher than you would have to pay in U.S. I know Ibanez has a few different model lines for different price ranges. The best thing you can do is go a good music store, look at what they have and ask a salesperson to see this year’s Ibanez catalog, and ask what their prices are, for each model line. Then hopefully you can try out the ones in your price range and make a better decision from there. Good luck. …sb

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>>>I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

Then any LOUD Bass will do! Don

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > $250 is a decent price for a fender squire bass, though I’d see if I > > couldn’t get a good non-squier for just a little more. I bought a squire, > > and then found out I could’ve gotten a better bass for just about $20 > > more. > > A Jazz bass is definately easier to learn on, the neck is smaller. Also, > > I think that it offers more of a tonal range than a Precision Bass, > > though the Precision does have "That" sound, that no other bass has. > > I don’t know much about Ibanez. What kind of music are you looking to > > play? > I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal. > One thing you will probably want is a bass with 2 pickups. You will have > to spend a little more but believe me, in the long run it is well worth > it, because with one pickup, you are immediately limiting your bass to > one distinct sound. The pickup nearer to the neck will give you that > heavier "fuller" sound although it will be a little "dark" (lacking in > some of the higher frequencies) A pickup close to the bridge will give > you the higher frequencies, and a more "defined" tonal quality but will > lack a bit of the bottom-end "oomph" ( <- is that a technical term? ) > With both pickups, however, you can have either one on, or mix both to > get a very balanced sound, which is what I prefer. And as you progress, > you may actually change your style to prefer one over the other. but at > least you have that option with 2 pickups. Fender does make a > Precision-Jazz (PJ) bass that has the split "precision" pickup near the > neck and the single thin "jazz" pickup near the bridge. I find you can > get a very wide range of tone out of a PJ bass. > I like Ibanez basses very much. They are usually very good buys for the > amount of money they cost (usually less than a real Fender). There tone > seems to be little less smooth in the bottom end though. They almost > sound growlier (another tech term, ha ha ha), which may or may not be to > your personal liking. You decide. > I hope this is of some help, and good luck! > …sb

If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

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I am a beginner looking for a starter bass and I’ve gotten lots of help from people on this group. Thanks a lot guys! I now have a question. I’ve been doing some research around the net and I’d like to know what you guys think of the following brands and prices. I’d like some feedback as to whether the prices are good and also what you think of the brand and how it plays and sounds. Thanks. As far as i know all prices i have are for new basses. Fender Squire Precision $250 Fender Squire Jazz $250 Ibanez TR70 $219 Ibanez TR50 $199

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$250 is a decent price for a fender squire bass, though I’d see if I couldn’t get a good non-squier for just a little more. I bought a squire, and then found out I could’ve gotten a better bass for just about $20 more. A Jazz bass is definately easier to learn on, the neck is smaller. Also, I think that it offers more of a tonal range than a Precision Bass, though the Precision does have "That" sound, that no other bass has. I don’t know much about Ibanez. What kind of music are you looking to play?

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> $250 is a decent price for a fender squire bass, though I’d see if I > couldn’t get a good non-squier for just a little more. I bought a squire, > and then found out I could’ve gotten a better bass for just about $20 > more. > A Jazz bass is definately easier to learn on, the neck is smaller. Also, > I think that it offers more of a tonal range than a Precision Bass, > though the Precision does have "That" sound, that no other bass has. > I don’t know much about Ibanez. What kind of music are you looking to > play?

I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

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> > $250 is a decent price for a fender squire bass, though I’d see if I > couldn’t get a good non-squier for just a little more. I bought a squire, > and then found out I could’ve gotten a better bass for just about $20 > more. > A Jazz bass is definately easier to learn on, the neck is smaller. Also, > I think that it offers more of a tonal range than a Precision Bass, > though the Precision does have "That" sound, that no other bass has. > I don’t know much about Ibanez. What kind of music are you looking to > play? > I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

One thing you will probably want is a bass with 2 pickups. You will have to spend a little more but believe me, in the long run it is well worth it, because with one pickup, you are immediately limiting your bass to one distinct sound. The pickup nearer to the neck will give you that heavier "fuller" sound although it will be a little "dark" (lacking in some of the higher frequencies) A pickup close to the bridge will give you the higher frequencies, and a more "defined" tonal quality but will lack a bit of the bottom-end "oomph" ( <- is that a technical term? ) With both pickups, however, you can have either one on, or mix both to get a very balanced sound, which is what I prefer. And as you progress, you may actually change your style to prefer one over the other. but at least you have that option with 2 pickups. Fender does make a Precision-Jazz (PJ) bass that has the split "precision" pickup near the neck and the single thin "jazz" pickup near the bridge. I find you can get a very wide range of tone out of a PJ bass. I like Ibanez basses very much. They are usually very good buys for the amount of money they cost (usually less than a real Fender). There tone seems to be little less smooth in the bottom end though. They almost sound growlier (another tech term, ha ha ha), which may or may not be to your personal liking. You decide. I hope this is of some help, and good luck! …sb

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Welcome and Greetings Laurent. and…for what it’s worth, the only thing I do slower than talk, is run. — -rob O< now that’s sloooowww! /() ^^

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hallo, i am an absolute bass-beginner and i am looking for some some help on the net! if your have an url where i can find some info that would be nice thanks Laurent Luxembourg(Europe)

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hang on, here they come… Rob, paging lynxmastr… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

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Rob Kloka, everyone… wasn’t he just lovely… & he can run as fast as he can sing… I’m tellin ya cuz I know… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

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– Tom Comber — Lasik Advertising Network (a division of Morrison-Young) 7535 E. Hampden Avenue | Suite 505 | Denver, CO | 80231 303.338-8311 ext. 14 | 303.338.8304 fax

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Here’s another great bass site for all levels www.activebass.com

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I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp what is the least i could spend??? used or new

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> I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp > what is the least i could spend??? > used or new

I saw a used Lotus with a missing volume knob at a yard sale last week for three dollars. Plug it into your stereo and you have a pretty cheap set-up. – Sterno — M’muh!

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> what is the least i could spend???

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> You can not go wrong with a Fender.They make many differant models and

That says it all. — – Kjetil Aavik

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I have been playing guitar for 3 years now and would like to learn to play bass guitar. can anyone give me any advice on buying my first bass cheers mike

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– Dan Zimmerman Groove. Before you buy.

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We have a long thread on CIS (Compuserve) in the Guitar section. One everybody seems to like is the Epiphone line of guitars and Basses. I got a brand new Les Paul Epi for $350 at a local dealer. Don

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> If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d > like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

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>>>I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

Then any LOUD Bass will do! Don

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If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

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I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

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Welcome and Greetings Laurent. and…for what it’s worth, the only thing I do slower than talk, is run. — -rob O< now that’s sloooowww! /() ^^

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hallo, i am an absolute bass-beginner and i am looking for some some help on the net! if your have an url where i can find some info that would be nice thanks Laurent Luxembourg(Europe)

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hang on, here they come… Rob, paging lynxmastr… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

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Rob Kloka, everyone… wasn’t he just lovely… & he can run as fast as he can sing… I’m tellin ya cuz I know… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

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– Tom Comber — Lasik Advertising Network (a division of Morrison-Young) 7535 E. Hampden Avenue | Suite 505 | Denver, CO | 80231 303.338-8311 ext. 14 | 303.338.8304 fax

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Here’s another great bass site for all levels www.activebass.com

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I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp what is the least i could spend??? used or new

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> I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp > what is the least i could spend??? > used or new

I saw a used Lotus with a missing volume knob at a yard sale last week for three dollars. Plug it into your stereo and you have a pretty cheap set-up. – Sterno — M’muh!

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> what is the least i could spend???

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> You can not go wrong with a Fender.They make many differant models and

That says it all. — – Kjetil Aavik

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I have been playing guitar for 3 years now and would like to learn to play bass guitar. can anyone give me any advice on buying my first bass cheers mike

Response:

– Dan Zimmerman Groove. Before you buy.

Response:

We have a long thread on CIS (Compuserve) in the Guitar section. One everybody seems to like is the Epiphone line of guitars and Basses. I got a brand new Les Paul Epi for $350 at a local dealer. Don

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> If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d > like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

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>>>I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

Then any LOUD Bass will do! Don

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If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

Response:

I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

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Welcome and Greetings Laurent. and…for what it’s worth, the only thing I do slower than talk, is run. — -rob O< now that’s sloooowww! /() ^^

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hallo, i am an absolute bass-beginner and i am looking for some some help on the net! if your have an url where i can find some info that would be nice thanks Laurent Luxembourg(Europe)

Response:

hang on, here they come… Rob, paging lynxmastr… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

Response:

Rob Kloka, everyone… wasn’t he just lovely… & he can run as fast as he can sing… I’m tellin ya cuz I know… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

Response:

– Tom Comber — Lasik Advertising Network (a division of Morrison-Young) 7535 E. Hampden Avenue | Suite 505 | Denver, CO | 80231 303.338-8311 ext. 14 | 303.338.8304 fax

Response:

Here’s another great bass site for all levels www.activebass.com

Response:

I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp what is the least i could spend??? used or new

Response:

> I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp > what is the least i could spend??? > used or new

I saw a used Lotus with a missing volume knob at a yard sale last week for three dollars. Plug it into your stereo and you have a pretty cheap set-up. – Sterno — M’muh!

Response:

> what is the least i could spend???

Response:

> You can not go wrong with a Fender.They make many differant models and

That says it all. — – Kjetil Aavik

Response:

I have been playing guitar for 3 years now and would like to learn to play bass guitar. can anyone give me any advice on buying my first bass cheers mike

Response:

– Dan Zimmerman Groove. Before you buy.

Response:

We have a long thread on CIS (Compuserve) in the Guitar section. One everybody seems to like is the Epiphone line of guitars and Basses. I got a brand new Les Paul Epi for $350 at a local dealer. Don

Response:

> If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d > like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

Response:

>>>I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

Then any LOUD Bass will do! Don

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If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

Response:

I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

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Welcome and Greetings Laurent. and…for what it’s worth, the only thing I do slower than talk, is run. — -rob O< now that’s sloooowww! /() ^^

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hallo, i am an absolute bass-beginner and i am looking for some some help on the net! if your have an url where i can find some info that would be nice thanks Laurent Luxembourg(Europe)

Response:

hang on, here they come… Rob, paging lynxmastr… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

Response:

Rob Kloka, everyone… wasn’t he just lovely… & he can run as fast as he can sing… I’m tellin ya cuz I know… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

Response:

– Tom Comber — Lasik Advertising Network (a division of Morrison-Young) 7535 E. Hampden Avenue | Suite 505 | Denver, CO | 80231 303.338-8311 ext. 14 | 303.338.8304 fax

Response:

Here’s another great bass site for all levels www.activebass.com

Response:

I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp what is the least i could spend??? used or new

Response:

> I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp > what is the least i could spend??? > used or new

I saw a used Lotus with a missing volume knob at a yard sale last week for three dollars. Plug it into your stereo and you have a pretty cheap set-up. – Sterno — M’muh!

Response:

> what is the least i could spend???

Response:

> You can not go wrong with a Fender.They make many differant models and

That says it all. — – Kjetil Aavik

Response:

I have been playing guitar for 3 years now and would like to learn to play bass guitar. can anyone give me any advice on buying my first bass cheers mike

Response:

– Dan Zimmerman Groove. Before you buy.

Response:

We have a long thread on CIS (Compuserve) in the Guitar section. One everybody seems to like is the Epiphone line of guitars and Basses. I got a brand new Les Paul Epi for $350 at a local dealer. Don

Response:

> If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d > like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

Response:

>>>I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

Then any LOUD Bass will do! Don

Response:

If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

Response:

I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

Response:

Welcome and Greetings Laurent. and…for what it’s worth, the only thing I do slower than talk, is run. — -rob O< now that’s sloooowww! /() ^^

Response:

hallo, i am an absolute bass-beginner and i am looking for some some help on the net! if your have an url where i can find some info that would be nice thanks Laurent Luxembourg(Europe)

Response:

hang on, here they come… Rob, paging lynxmastr… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

Response:

Rob Kloka, everyone… wasn’t he just lovely… & he can run as fast as he can sing… I’m tellin ya cuz I know… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

Response:

– Tom Comber — Lasik Advertising Network (a division of Morrison-Young) 7535 E. Hampden Avenue | Suite 505 | Denver, CO | 80231 303.338-8311 ext. 14 | 303.338.8304 fax

Response:

Here’s another great bass site for all levels www.activebass.com

Response:

I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp what is the least i could spend??? used or new

Response:

> I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp > what is the least i could spend??? > used or new

I saw a used Lotus with a missing volume knob at a yard sale last week for three dollars. Plug it into your stereo and you have a pretty cheap set-up. – Sterno — M’muh!

Response:

> what is the least i could spend???

Response:

> You can not go wrong with a Fender.They make many differant models and

That says it all. — – Kjetil Aavik

Response:

I have been playing guitar for 3 years now and would like to learn to play bass guitar. can anyone give me any advice on buying my first bass cheers mike

Response:

– Dan Zimmerman Groove. Before you buy.

Response:

We have a long thread on CIS (Compuserve) in the Guitar section. One everybody seems to like is the Epiphone line of guitars and Basses. I got a brand new Les Paul Epi for $350 at a local dealer. Don

Response:

> If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d > like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

Response:

>>>I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

Then any LOUD Bass will do! Don

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If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

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I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

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: >hi, : >I’m a begginer biker and am looking for a new bike. I don’t want to spend a : >fortune but I want a quality bike, any sugestions? : > : >brian hockenstein : I have to recommend any of the low to mid model GT’s…the Outpost is really a : nice and sturdy bike. : — : – I have to agree with that one, I have a GT outpost trail, not the greatest bike in the world, but it gets the job done, and for as much riding as I actually do, it suits me just fine.. I think I paid like $325 for it. Jeffrey Sipper

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>hi, >I’m a begginer biker and am looking for a new bike. I don’t want to spend a >fortune but I want a quality bike, any sugestions? >brian hockenstein

I have to recommend any of the low to mid model GT’s…the Outpost is really a nice and sturdy bike. — Davis Seelig— "You want the good life…You break your A gleeful resident of back…You snap your fingers… Boston University YOU SNAP YOUR NECK!"–Prong

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Without suggesting brands, I recommend going to bike stores and trying to find old models of quality bikes. See if the shop has last year’s model (or better yet even earlier) that she’s trying to clear out to make way for newer and more expensive (but not better) bikes. I’ve never shopped for a bike for myself or anyone else and _not_ been able to find a great deal among the old models. You get a new bike at a low cost (sometimes up to half off). Good luck, have fun. Brent

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>>hi, >I’m a begginer biker and am looking for a new bike. I don’t want to spend a >fortune but I want a quality bike, any sugestions? >brian hockenstein >I have to recommend any of the low to mid model GT’s…the Outpost is really a >nice and sturdy bike.

Good call! I would definitely have to agree that GT’s are a very good buy. Rock solid and a good value, as far as the choices that I had. I’ve been mistreating my Backwoods for about 6 months now, and I’m so exquisitely happy with it, I can’t wait to tell everybody how much I love it. If you can possibly afford to, try to spend a little bit more money and get the Talera, at a minimum. Beyond that, each step up in price gets an assortment of improved goodies. Finally, at a bare minimum, the GT’s are just some of the gnarliest looking bikes ever, without going totally overboard. Unfortunately, there are some Murrays floating around with the same triple triangle design, so you can’t be a total elitist <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<< Dane Thomas Gillaspie Physics major and occasional lacrosse player, weight lifter, philosopher, and all-around smart ass.

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hi, I’m a begginer biker and am looking for a new bike. I don’t want to spend a fortune but I want a quality bike, any sugestions? brian hockenstein

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> hi, > I’m a begginer biker and am looking for a new bike. I don’t want to spend a > fortune but I want a quality bike, any sugestions? > brian hockenstein

1.) Stay out of the super markets and department stores. In other words, go to a reputable bike store. 2.) Decide exactly how much you can *really* afford to spend on a bike. Note that you can save lots of money if you DON’T buy a bike with suspension. The only riders who actually *need* suspension are those who are getting paid to go very fast over rough terrain. Save the extra dough and instead, develope your technique, practice finess(sp), ride courtiously and intelligently, and spend the money you saved on a week out riding the most incredible wilderness you can find. "People who race mountain bikes have lost sight of the fundamental absurdity of mountian biking." Ted Neally 3.) Ask the reputable bike store sales person to show you the Mt. bikes s/he has in the price range you’ve decided on. 4.) Disregard any sales pitch that centers on any given component of any given bike. In a given price range, one titanium purple anodized component is going to come at the cost of a lower quality component somewhere else. 5.) Ride each of the bikes in your price range and buy the one you liked best. As long as you’re looking at *real* Mt. bikes, put together by *real* bike mechanics, you’re going to get a good bike. People tend to get rather gooshy about their particular bike and all of its peculiarities(sp) but in actuality, there really isn’t that much difference between bikes in any given price range (although some are much uglier than others). Okay, flame away boys 8^) — Steven Craig Beck | "The left side of my brain says that a pound of Image Analysis Facility | right side knows that the pound of metal is just 319-335-6713 | a little bit heavier."

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Welcome and Greetings Laurent. and…for what it’s worth, the only thing I do slower than talk, is run. — -rob O< now that’s sloooowww! /() ^^

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hallo, i am an absolute bass-beginner and i am looking for some some help on the net! if your have an url where i can find some info that would be nice thanks Laurent Luxembourg(Europe)

Response:

hang on, here they come… Rob, paging lynxmastr… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

Response:

Rob Kloka, everyone… wasn’t he just lovely… & he can run as fast as he can sing… I’m tellin ya cuz I know… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

Response:

– Tom Comber — Lasik Advertising Network (a division of Morrison-Young) 7535 E. Hampden Avenue | Suite 505 | Denver, CO | 80231 303.338-8311 ext. 14 | 303.338.8304 fax

Response:

Here’s another great bass site for all levels www.activebass.com

Response:

I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp what is the least i could spend??? used or new

Response:

> I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp > what is the least i could spend??? > used or new

I saw a used Lotus with a missing volume knob at a yard sale last week for three dollars. Plug it into your stereo and you have a pretty cheap set-up. – Sterno — M’muh!

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> what is the least i could spend???

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> You can not go wrong with a Fender.They make many differant models and

That says it all. — – Kjetil Aavik

Response:

I have been playing guitar for 3 years now and would like to learn to play bass guitar. can anyone give me any advice on buying my first bass cheers mike

Response:

– Dan Zimmerman Groove. Before you buy.

Response:

We have a long thread on CIS (Compuserve) in the Guitar section. One everybody seems to like is the Epiphone line of guitars and Basses. I got a brand new Les Paul Epi for $350 at a local dealer. Don

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> If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d > like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

Response:

>>>I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

Then any LOUD Bass will do! Don

Response:

If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

Response:

I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

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>hi, >I’m a begginer biker and am looking for a new bike. I don’t want to spend a >fortune but I want a quality bike, any sugestions? >brian hockenstein

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hi, I’m a begginer biker and am looking for a new bike. I don’t want to spend a fortune but I want a quality bike, any sugestions? brian hockenstein

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> hi, > I’m a begginer biker and am looking for a new bike. I don’t want to spend a > fortune but I want a quality bike, any sugestions? > brian hockenstein

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Welcome and Greetings Laurent. and…for what it’s worth, the only thing I do slower than talk, is run. — -rob O< now that’s sloooowww! /() ^^

Response:

hallo, i am an absolute bass-beginner and i am looking for some some help on the net! if your have an url where i can find some info that would be nice thanks Laurent Luxembourg(Europe)

Response:

hang on, here they come… Rob, paging lynxmastr… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

Response:

Rob Kloka, everyone… wasn’t he just lovely… & he can run as fast as he can sing… I’m tellin ya cuz I know… — http://members.home.net/xush2/

Response:

– Tom Comber — Lasik Advertising Network (a division of Morrison-Young) 7535 E. Hampden Avenue | Suite 505 | Denver, CO | 80231 303.338-8311 ext. 14 | 303.338.8304 fax

Response:

Here’s another great bass site for all levels www.activebass.com

Response:

I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp what is the least i could spend??? used or new

Response:

> I’m looking for a beginner bass and amp > what is the least i could spend??? > used or new

I saw a used Lotus with a missing volume knob at a yard sale last week for three dollars. Plug it into your stereo and you have a pretty cheap set-up. – Sterno — M’muh!

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> what is the least i could spend???

Response:

> You can not go wrong with a Fender.They make many differant models and

That says it all. — – Kjetil Aavik

Response:

I have been playing guitar for 3 years now and would like to learn to play bass guitar. can anyone give me any advice on buying my first bass cheers mike

Response:

– Dan Zimmerman Groove. Before you buy.

Response:

We have a long thread on CIS (Compuserve) in the Guitar section. One everybody seems to like is the Epiphone line of guitars and Basses. I got a brand new Les Paul Epi for $350 at a local dealer. Don

Response:

> If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d > like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

Response:

>>>I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

Then any LOUD Bass will do! Don

Response:

If i understand what you mean by ‘growlier’ that’s probably a sound I’d like. What kind of price should I look for for an Ibanez?

Response:

I’m prob. going to end up trying to play metal.

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>hi, >I’m a begginer biker and am looking for a new bike. I don’t want to spend a >fortune but I want a quality bike, any sugestions? >brian hockenstein

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hi, I’m a begginer biker and am looking for a new bike. I don’t want to spend a fortune but I want a quality bike, any sugestions? brian hockenstein

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> hi, > I’m a begginer biker and am looking for a new bike. I don’t want to spend a > fortune but I want a quality bike, any sugestions? > brian hockenstein

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>Some of >my friends and I would like to go camping somewhere relatively close to >the NYC area. Any suggestions and/or advice on where, when, what, and how >would be much appreciated.

3 hours fromNYC are Mongaup Pond which is a NY state campground, many sites are on the Lake. It is outside of Livingston Manor NY,off of Route 17. Also if your into hiking, North lake Campground, another State campground, outside of Haines Falls. There are numerous other campgrounds in the Catskill area. Try them out.

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I can’t help you with local destinations but you might want to check out my Camping page off of the homepage listed below. Be sure to check out the Camping gear list section. Regards, Pete E-mail… Visit my home page at…… http://www.gwi.net/~spectrum Even if you’re on the right track you’ll get run over if you just sit there. Roy Rogers – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have only been camping once before, so I need a little advice. Some of > my friends and I would like to go camping somewhere relatively close to > the NYC area. Any suggestions and/or advice on where, when, what, and how > would be much appreciated.

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An excellent campground is North-South Lake located on County Route 18, 3 miles northeast of Haines Falls, NY Their # is 518-589-5058. It’s a couple of miles away from Hunter Mountain. It is about 100 miles north of NYC & is the largest public campground in the Catskills. The campground offers numerous hiking trails and a lake for swimming, fishing, canoeing, and rowboating. Loops 5 & 6 offers the best views of the lake. You can make reservations by calling 1-800-456-CAMP (1-800-456-2267). I have checked out other sites in the NY area such as Long Island and North Lake is definitely where you want to camp. I have been camping there for 10 years & I love it.

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We went camping for the first time this past weekend. I was a little nervous about going but we ended up having a great time. The one thing i can say helped me out the most was that a few weeks prior to our trip we went and visted friends of ours while they were camping. We only stayed the day but seeing they’re camp setup and how they go about doing things was invaluable to me. Now i’m not saying that everything went smooth or that I didn’t foget anything (the toothpaste lol) but most things are easily delt with if you don’t let it get you down. Luckily there was a little store down the road from the park we were camping in so we could get some toothpaste I can’t say we really roughed it because we camped in a pop-up and not tents. My husband got a really great deal on an older pop-up that we just couldn’t pass up. I think though that it all has to do with your attitude going into it. No matter if your in a tent or a camper you have to want to be there. Another thing that was a great help was a checklist that I found on a web site. If you would be interested in a copy of it just let me know and i’d be happy to forward it to Good Luck Lisa

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Borrow! Dedicated campers appreciate stuff returned in good condition but love to help others. Failing that at this time of year, few old quilts/blankets or washable bedclothes from home with a sheet inside, on top of about 12+ layers of newspaper which are on top of a garbage bag, or another tarp/painters drop cloth or shower curtain on the ground. A tarp strung between a couple of trees for a roof or a really good weather forecast! Pots and flatware from home. Simple menu, sandwiches or something that can be toasted on a green stick or boiled in a pot. If you are not a firemaker some firestarter with wood that probably is available at your campsite. Your local state park is probably the cheapest best bet as a site if it has a fire ring and rack. Usual overnight stuff but layers and socks as it IS colder out than in! A milk jug to carry water from the spigot that is probably not at your site. A good attitude and wheels to get away at 4am if a clap of thunder and pouring rain visit. Choose as level a piece of ground as possible get rid of sticks and stones under your groundsheet. Look up, imagine where the rain and runoff will fall if it does, adjust accordingly. Somebody with a great sense of humor to snuggle up to is always a plus! Have fun! Margaret – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > does anyone have any suggestions about how someone completely > inexperienced with camping (and therefor having very little equipment) > and very little funds could acquire some camping skills and experiences? > — > — > "Although one perceives non-existent reality, > Who can believe in its non-existence? > How could a painted peacock > Devour real pearls?" -nagarjuna

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Kristina Our funniest camping horror story is our first attempt at tent camping…Practical advice, put a tarp on the ground under your tent, hopefully one long enought to extend out the front so you can take your shoes off and have a buffer for mess. Don’t store food in your tent at all. And make sure you are warm enough…most miserable nights camping are when you are chilled. My friend even brings a hat for everyone..a knit cap she swears by it. We camp in pop up now, but we just purchased a tent for quickie overnights. With both, I bring a tarp or dining canopy for over table/cooking area. We don’t back woods rough it, so we can do this. I’ve started a camping checklist which is no way complete but is a start for anyone interested. www.geocities/heartland/bluffs/7603 This may help you…pick and choose what apply to you..this is geared towards pop ups so if stuff doesn’t make sense, that might be why.. One other lesson, start close to home, state parks here in NY are great. If you forget anything, there’s usually town close by..LOL Regards, Kimberly K. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >does anyone have any suggestions about how someone completely >inexperienced with camping (and therefor having very little equipment) >and very little funds could acquire some camping skills and experiences? >– >– >"Although one perceives non-existent reality, >Who can believe in its non-existence? >How could a painted peacock >Devour real pearls?" -nagarjuna

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Book: Practical Outdoor Survival www.amazon.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >does anyone have any suggestions about how someone completely >inexperienced with camping (and therefor having very little equipment) >and very little funds could acquire some camping skills and experiences? >– >– >"Although one perceives non-existent reality, >Who can believe in its non-existence? >How could a painted peacock >Devour real pearls?" -nagarjuna

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The "start close to home" is a great piece of advice, if you have kids. I wanted to test out the equipment ahead of time, and my step daughters two boys had never been in a tent before, so we just set up camp in the backyard. My rules were to imagine ourselves out in the woods, far away from home. Kids have great imaginations, so this wasn’t too hard. We live far enough out that we have a fire ring already set up, and I improvised a tarp around a portapotti, to keep the temptation of running up to the house at a minimum. We even carried out jugs of water, and agreed when it was gone, the "trip" was over. I wanted to emphasize using our resources wisely. Every detail was to be as close to a real camping trip as possible, and Mother Nature helped. That night we had one of the hardest storms hit of the season. A lot of hard rain, and a bit of thunder and lightning. I did learn the importance of seam sealing , that night. We were all wet and tired in the morning, and it was still raining, and a bit cool. But we toughed it out, and had breakfast, before giving in to the comfort of our house. I wish we had waited to tear down camp first, but this was a pretty good first time experience, of all that could go wrong. I really never expected the kids to ever want to camp again, but they had a blast, and were ready to go for it even that next night. It also helped me to figure out what things are important to have, and do, and what we really didn’t need. I still to this day set up any new equipment at home, to test, before going out to the campsites with it. It is a lot easier to learn how when you are close to home and civilization. Also, don’t forget the most important thing is to be safe and have fun. That is what it is all about. You don’t need expensive things to start. Check out a Boy Scout manual. I found one at the library. It has a pretty good section on making your own equipment. Also a great checklist. Hope this helps some.

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Go to your local (GOOD) camping/ outdoor store. Tell them your sitiation and ask to go with a small group for the education. Most will be happy to help and have tons of old (extra ) equipment. Curt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >does anyone have any suggestions about how someone completely >inexperienced with camping (and therefor having very little equipment) >and very little funds could acquire some camping skills and experiences? >– >– >"Although one perceives non-existent reality, >Who can believe in its non-existence? >How could a painted peacock >Devour real pearls?" -nagarjuna

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Forgive the arrogance, but you’re the reason I wrote my first book, Practical Outdoor Survival, available at www.amazon.com or any local bookstore. I can also recommend Bradford Angier’s How To Stay Alive In The Woods, although it’s info is dated (1950s), and Larry Dean Olsen’s Outdoor Survival Skills, though his book concentrates mostly on primitive techniques that aren’t always useful to modern outdoorsmen. With one of those books in a backpack to serve as an advisor, the next step is to go out and do it. Len McDougall, Outdoor Writer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >does anyone have any suggestions about how someone completely >inexperienced with camping (and therefor having very little equipment) >and very little funds could acquire some camping skills and experiences? >– >– >"Although one perceives non-existent reality, >Who can believe in its non-existence? >How could a painted peacock >Devour real pearls?" -nagarjuna

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> does anyone have any suggestions about how someone completely > inexperienced with camping (and therefor having very little equipment) > and very little funds could acquire some camping skills and experiences?

Well, it depends greatly on what kind of camping you are talking about. Do you mean packing up the car, driving to a State Park, unpacking the car, setting up a tent, and then taking day trips? Do you mean stuffing everything into a backpack, throwing it on your back, hiking through the wilderness until you find a flat spot to set up your tent, and then doing the same thing the next morning? Do you mean towing a pop-up trailer behind your car and then popping up when you get to your destination? Do you mean driving an RV across the country well below the speed limit and refusing to pull over to let others pass? The advice will vary greatly with what you are asking. — Mark Denman ~E Aho Laula~ <"wider is better"> the ALARUMS-L mailing list – a chatty forum about pencil and paper RPGs I have the body of a Greek God — Bacchus! *unsolicited e-mail advertising will lead to a complaint to your postmaster*

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>does anyone have any suggestions about how someone completely >inexperienced with camping (and therefor having very little equipment) >and very little funds could acquire some camping skills and experiences?

The best way to gain experience is to experience it. Fortunately, camping is not like a job and there are various levels. Start simple and work your way up. Don’t try to tackle the hard jobs until you have some idea what you’re doing. To start out and test your mettle, you could rent gear. But, if you want to try it more than just a few times to get the feel of it, renting then becomes expensive. The next step is purchasing the bare basic gear and improvising on anything you can. Start out with car camping (truck camping, trunk camping, or whatever it’s called in your area). This way, in worst case scenarios, you can hop in the car and drive away, or use the car for emergency shelter if your tent gets swept away by bad weather. You can pick up a cheap one-person trail tent at Walmart or K-mart or such for $20 or less. It’s not the highest quality, but if you’re just starting out, you don’t need something that will take on Mount Everest. When I first started out camping again after returning stateside after many years, I was quite content with a small American Camper dome tent that costs between $20-$30. I still have this tent, and still use it extensively for some of my camping, though it no longer meets all of my needs (it’s too heavy for backcountry and too small for family). Also, you can check flea markets, garage sales, yard sales, auctions, swap meets, used "stuff" places like Goodwill, etc., ask local boy scouts to do their daily charity by cutting you a great deal, or so on. Another option if bugs aren’t too bad is the use of lightweight tarps. You can pick up cheap plastic drop cloths from the painting supply section of your hardware store (or Walmart) – one for a ground cloth, one hung over a line (rope, string, bungee cords, etc.) overhead for shelter. This is minimalist and there are a lot of situations where tarps just don’t cut it, but in many cases, it’s all you really need. If the weather permits, you can skip the tent entirely and just use a ground cloth beneath you. You can use old sheets or blankets in place of a sleeping bag, saving you a considerable chunk of money. Next is food. For short trips, you can do sandwiches brought from home. Slightly longer trips requiring cooking require something to cook on. If you have a fire pit at your camp site and it’s not raining, you can cook over an open fire. You can make a home-made grill cover (if they don’t already have one) using several wire coat hangers (and a pair of pliers). You can make disposable cookware with aluminum foil (or buy some heavy duty aluminum disposable cookware). For more reliable heavy duty more-than-one-use cooking, you’ll need at least a mess kit (starting at $5 for cheap stuff), cooking and eating utensils (something to stir, flip, or pick up off the grill, plus your fork, knife and spoon, something to eat out of (the pan is okay once it cools) You can use utensils from home. Sharp pocket knife, reliable flashlight, roll of toilet paper in a ziploc bag, bottle of disinfecting hand cleaner. A gallon milk jug (cleaned out, of course) filled with ice water (At least one per day of camping). Select an easy site, somewhere scenic, but not too expensive or remote. (Save the remote for after you’ve camped a few times and feel more confident). Call your state or local Dept of Tourism and have them send a listing or brochures on private and public campgrounds. Also check with Nat’l Parks, State Parks, (some local parks). If your state or area has it, check also with the Forestry Service (I think it’s under Dep’t of Agriculture, not sure) to see if there are any public reserve lands in your area where camping is permitted. Keep the campfire low. Keep the noise down. Keep the spirits up when something goes wrong (it’s a running joke in my family about what we forgot to bring, and we ALWAYS expect rain). Make it your goal to not be discouraged by your mistakes, but, rather, to learn from them. The most dangerous part of camping is the addiction. Woof

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Kristina, Camping is a fun experience and should be enjoyed by everyone. Granted some people call traveling in a motor home with air conditioning, microwave, clothes washer and dryer, 27" TV etc. camping. However, camping can be sleeping out under the stars with just a blanket like the cowboys do. It all is a matter of taste and expense. I have tent camped with a tent (7′x7′) that cost me at the time $15, brought the utensils from my kitchen and other necessities (toiletries) from home. Today, because of the wife, I have been moved into a 24′ travel trailer. I still enjoy the tent camping with the young-uns the most. What I am trying to say is you don’t need all of the frills to have fun camping. Use what you feel is necessary. The two things I would purchase is a decent size tent and a good sleeping back. Everything else, improvise!!! Good luck and happy camping!!!! Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > does anyone have any suggestions about how someone completely > inexperienced with camping (and therefor having very little equipment) > and very little funds could acquire some camping skills and > experiences? > — > — > "Although one perceives non-existent reality, > Who can believe in its non-existence? > How could a painted peacock > Devour real pearls?" -nagarjuna

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does anyone have any suggestions about how someone completely inexperienced with camping (and therefor having very little equipment) and very little funds could acquire some camping skills and experiences? — — "Although one perceives non-existent reality, Who can believe in its non-existence? How could a painted peacock Devour real pearls?" -nagarjuna

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