Who is the best bassist of all time?
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>Paul McCartney
Yeah, a true pioneer especially after he started playing Rickenbackers (Paperback Writer & Rain) Jack Casady of the Jefferson Hairpie was pretty awesome too
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Yep gotta be THE OX ..John Entwhistle .. Barry
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>I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did.
Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come out of Motown.
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> I say Mark King from Level 42
He borrowed the style from the bassist of the Emeralds circa 1965 http://tinyurl.com/2o9m9
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> I say Mark King from Level 42
Michael Anthony. He plays his part, does his thing and never *ever* tried to play ‘lead bass’. — Thad
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> I say Mark King from Level 42
That would be either Geddy Lee from Rush or Billy whatsisname from Mr Big (crap band, amazing player)
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said this… > I say Mark King from Level 42
Peter Hook (Joy Division/New Order) FR — www.flyingrat.net
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Paul McCartney
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> I say Mark King from Level 42
I rate three at the top for myself – Overend Watts, Jaco Pastorius, and Stanley Clarke.
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Scott Owen. from the Living End (great aussie band) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I say Mark King from Level 42 > I rate three at the top for myself – Overend Watts, Jaco Pastorius, > and Stanley Clarke.
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>>I say Mark King from Level 42 > Michael Anthony. He plays his part, does his thing and never *ever* tried to > play ‘lead bass’. > — > Thad
Funny – he is number one on my worst bassist of all times list. Queso
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> Paul McCartney
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Good one. Queso
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> Funny – he is number one on my worst bassist of all times list. > Queso
Which note do you hate, ‘E’ or ‘A’? 
— Thad
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the ox
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I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but from a historical perspective, how many people know of James Jamerson? Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll be glad you did.
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> I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but > from a historical perspective, how many people know of James > Jamerson? > Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of > Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll > be glad you did.
Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is. Many consider him a genius because of the way he put things together. I think the Funk Brothers were recognized at the recent Grammies show. There is also a book by "Dr. Licks” (Allan Slutsky) about Jamerson with many of his basslines transcribed and also basslines recorded by top bassists. It’s also called "Standing in the Shadows of Motown.” It came out several years before the recent movie it inspired. You can find it at most music stores that have a large selection of sheet music and books, and I’m sure you can find it online.
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> Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is.
Just a quick note that this thread originated over on alt.guitar.beginner and alt.guitar. I’d expect most people on AGB to know him, but I’m not sure about the other NG’s. I took the liberty to cross post to AGB for some input on Jamerson.
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> Paul McCartney
Yay! He gets my vote, too. He does everything a bassist should, and more… but not too much more.
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I say Mark King from Level 42
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> I say Mark King from Level 42
YOURE MOM LOLOL
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Jaco Pastorius
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> > I say Mark King from Level 42 > First answer: Good and bassist are mutually exclusive.
First answer amended: You gotta get out more, Randy! > Real answer: Stu Hamm
Stu Hamm is not bad. Everyone gets sick of hearing his name, but fair is fair, and McCartney is one of the best there ever was on bass guitar. The guy who played on most of the Motown recordings in the 60’s – and I can’t think of his name, of course – was probably the best I ever heard. Listen to the bass line in Supreme’s "You Keep Me Hangin’ On". This post had the addresses amended to eliminate other groups besides alt.guitar.beginner The Old Guy —-== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups —= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers – Total Privacy via Encryption =—
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>But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion.
Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the controversey because I don’t. Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the > controversey because I don’t.
I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just found someone else to begin with?
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> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
More like Jamerson and Bob Babbit. Carol Kaye did play some when Motown moved to LA, but she either made up some of what she played on or they canned many of her recorded tracks.
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Because she’s good. — In the beginning there was a bass. It was a Fender, probably a Precision, but it could have been a Jazz – nobody knows. Anyway, it was very old … definitely pre-C.B.S. http://www.papabear.com/bassbook.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t > >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My > posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of > the > controversey because I don’t. > I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a > history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the > story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these > records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just > found someone else to begin with?
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I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but from a historical perspective, how many people know of James Jamerson? Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll be glad you did.
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> I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but > from a historical perspective, how many people know of James > Jamerson? > Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of > Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll > be glad you did.
Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is. Many consider him a genius because of the way he put things together. I think the Funk Brothers were recognized at the recent Grammies show. There is also a book by "Dr. Licks” (Allan Slutsky) about Jamerson with many of his basslines transcribed and also basslines recorded by top bassists. It’s also called "Standing in the Shadows of Motown.” It came out several years before the recent movie it inspired. You can find it at most music stores that have a large selection of sheet music and books, and I’m sure you can find it online.
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> Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is.
Just a quick note that this thread originated over on alt.guitar.beginner and alt.guitar. I’d expect most people on AGB to know him, but I’m not sure about the other NG’s. I took the liberty to cross post to AGB for some input on Jamerson.
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You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: http://bassland.net/jamerson.html Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html
Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
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>I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did.
Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come out of Motown.
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> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
But apparently Carol Kaye’s part was largely legend. Check out the site Dude recommended.
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> >I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did. > Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
Carol Kaye used a Super Reverb. In the movie, you can see some Concerts and Super Reverbs… and an old tuck and roll Kustom.
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html > Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol > Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that > most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research > on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye > takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad > that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. Ed Cregger
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> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger
Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and studio logs?
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>: Who is the best bassist of all time?
I’m not one to pat myself on the back, usually…..But recently, as I was doling out weekly allowances, I heard a small voice from the back of the crowd announce "Daddy you’re the best bass player in the whole world". Hawk
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> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger > Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. > Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and > studio logs?
I did not know that the studio logs told a different story. I do know that writers tend to create a story where none exists sometimes. I am always suspicious of the writer before the person being disparaged. Just an old habit. But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. Ed Cregger
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>But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion.
Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the controversey because I don’t. Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the > controversey because I don’t.
I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just found someone else to begin with?
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> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
More like Jamerson and Bob Babbit. Carol Kaye did play some when Motown moved to LA, but she either made up some of what she played on or they canned many of her recorded tracks.
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Because she’s good. — In the beginning there was a bass. It was a Fender, probably a Precision, but it could have been a Jazz – nobody knows. Anyway, it was very old … definitely pre-C.B.S. http://www.papabear.com/bassbook.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t > >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My > posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of > the > controversey because I don’t. > I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a > history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the > story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these > records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just > found someone else to begin with?
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I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but from a historical perspective, how many people know of James Jamerson? Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll be glad you did.
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> I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but > from a historical perspective, how many people know of James > Jamerson? > Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of > Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll > be glad you did.
Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is. Many consider him a genius because of the way he put things together. I think the Funk Brothers were recognized at the recent Grammies show. There is also a book by "Dr. Licks” (Allan Slutsky) about Jamerson with many of his basslines transcribed and also basslines recorded by top bassists. It’s also called "Standing in the Shadows of Motown.” It came out several years before the recent movie it inspired. You can find it at most music stores that have a large selection of sheet music and books, and I’m sure you can find it online.
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> Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is.
Just a quick note that this thread originated over on alt.guitar.beginner and alt.guitar. I’d expect most people on AGB to know him, but I’m not sure about the other NG’s. I took the liberty to cross post to AGB for some input on Jamerson.
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You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: http://bassland.net/jamerson.html Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html
Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
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>I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did.
Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come out of Motown.
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> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
But apparently Carol Kaye’s part was largely legend. Check out the site Dude recommended.
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> >I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did. > Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
Carol Kaye used a Super Reverb. In the movie, you can see some Concerts and Super Reverbs… and an old tuck and roll Kustom.
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html > Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol > Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that > most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research > on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye > takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad > that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. Ed Cregger
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> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger
Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and studio logs?
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>: Who is the best bassist of all time?
I’m not one to pat myself on the back, usually…..But recently, as I was doling out weekly allowances, I heard a small voice from the back of the crowd announce "Daddy you’re the best bass player in the whole world". Hawk
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> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger > Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. > Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and > studio logs?
I did not know that the studio logs told a different story. I do know that writers tend to create a story where none exists sometimes. I am always suspicious of the writer before the person being disparaged. Just an old habit. But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. Ed Cregger
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>But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion.
Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the controversey because I don’t. Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the > controversey because I don’t.
I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just found someone else to begin with?
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> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
More like Jamerson and Bob Babbit. Carol Kaye did play some when Motown moved to LA, but she either made up some of what she played on or they canned many of her recorded tracks.
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Because she’s good. — In the beginning there was a bass. It was a Fender, probably a Precision, but it could have been a Jazz – nobody knows. Anyway, it was very old … definitely pre-C.B.S. http://www.papabear.com/bassbook.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t > >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My > posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of > the > controversey because I don’t. > I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a > history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the > story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these > records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just > found someone else to begin with?
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I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but from a historical perspective, how many people know of James Jamerson? Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll be glad you did.
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> I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but > from a historical perspective, how many people know of James > Jamerson? > Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of > Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll > be glad you did.
Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is. Many consider him a genius because of the way he put things together. I think the Funk Brothers were recognized at the recent Grammies show. There is also a book by "Dr. Licks” (Allan Slutsky) about Jamerson with many of his basslines transcribed and also basslines recorded by top bassists. It’s also called "Standing in the Shadows of Motown.” It came out several years before the recent movie it inspired. You can find it at most music stores that have a large selection of sheet music and books, and I’m sure you can find it online.
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> Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is.
Just a quick note that this thread originated over on alt.guitar.beginner and alt.guitar. I’d expect most people on AGB to know him, but I’m not sure about the other NG’s. I took the liberty to cross post to AGB for some input on Jamerson.
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You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: http://bassland.net/jamerson.html Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html
Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
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>I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did.
Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come out of Motown.
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> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
But apparently Carol Kaye’s part was largely legend. Check out the site Dude recommended.
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> >I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did. > Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
Carol Kaye used a Super Reverb. In the movie, you can see some Concerts and Super Reverbs… and an old tuck and roll Kustom.
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html > Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol > Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that > most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research > on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye > takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad > that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. Ed Cregger
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> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger
Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and studio logs?
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>: Who is the best bassist of all time?
I’m not one to pat myself on the back, usually…..But recently, as I was doling out weekly allowances, I heard a small voice from the back of the crowd announce "Daddy you’re the best bass player in the whole world". Hawk
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> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger > Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. > Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and > studio logs?
I did not know that the studio logs told a different story. I do know that writers tend to create a story where none exists sometimes. I am always suspicious of the writer before the person being disparaged. Just an old habit. But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. Ed Cregger
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>But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion.
Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the controversey because I don’t. Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the > controversey because I don’t.
I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just found someone else to begin with?
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> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
More like Jamerson and Bob Babbit. Carol Kaye did play some when Motown moved to LA, but she either made up some of what she played on or they canned many of her recorded tracks.
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Because she’s good. — In the beginning there was a bass. It was a Fender, probably a Precision, but it could have been a Jazz – nobody knows. Anyway, it was very old … definitely pre-C.B.S. http://www.papabear.com/bassbook.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t > >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My > posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of > the > controversey because I don’t. > I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a > history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the > story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these > records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just > found someone else to begin with?
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I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but from a historical perspective, how many people know of James Jamerson? Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll be glad you did.
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> I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but > from a historical perspective, how many people know of James > Jamerson? > Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of > Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll > be glad you did.
Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is. Many consider him a genius because of the way he put things together. I think the Funk Brothers were recognized at the recent Grammies show. There is also a book by "Dr. Licks” (Allan Slutsky) about Jamerson with many of his basslines transcribed and also basslines recorded by top bassists. It’s also called "Standing in the Shadows of Motown.” It came out several years before the recent movie it inspired. You can find it at most music stores that have a large selection of sheet music and books, and I’m sure you can find it online.
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> Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is.
Just a quick note that this thread originated over on alt.guitar.beginner and alt.guitar. I’d expect most people on AGB to know him, but I’m not sure about the other NG’s. I took the liberty to cross post to AGB for some input on Jamerson.
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You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: http://bassland.net/jamerson.html Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html
Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
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>I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did.
Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come out of Motown.
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> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
But apparently Carol Kaye’s part was largely legend. Check out the site Dude recommended.
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> >I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did. > Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
Carol Kaye used a Super Reverb. In the movie, you can see some Concerts and Super Reverbs… and an old tuck and roll Kustom.
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html > Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol > Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that > most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research > on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye > takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad > that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. Ed Cregger
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> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger
Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and studio logs?
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>: Who is the best bassist of all time?
I’m not one to pat myself on the back, usually…..But recently, as I was doling out weekly allowances, I heard a small voice from the back of the crowd announce "Daddy you’re the best bass player in the whole world". Hawk
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> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger > Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. > Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and > studio logs?
I did not know that the studio logs told a different story. I do know that writers tend to create a story where none exists sometimes. I am always suspicious of the writer before the person being disparaged. Just an old habit. But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. Ed Cregger
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>But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion.
Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the controversey because I don’t. Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the > controversey because I don’t.
I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just found someone else to begin with?
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> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
More like Jamerson and Bob Babbit. Carol Kaye did play some when Motown moved to LA, but she either made up some of what she played on or they canned many of her recorded tracks.
Response:
Because she’s good. — In the beginning there was a bass. It was a Fender, probably a Precision, but it could have been a Jazz – nobody knows. Anyway, it was very old … definitely pre-C.B.S. http://www.papabear.com/bassbook.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t > >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My > posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of > the > controversey because I don’t. > I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a > history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the > story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these > records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just > found someone else to begin with?
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I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but from a historical perspective, how many people know of James Jamerson? Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll be glad you did.
Response:
> I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but > from a historical perspective, how many people know of James > Jamerson? > Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of > Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll > be glad you did.
Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is. Many consider him a genius because of the way he put things together. I think the Funk Brothers were recognized at the recent Grammies show. There is also a book by "Dr. Licks” (Allan Slutsky) about Jamerson with many of his basslines transcribed and also basslines recorded by top bassists. It’s also called "Standing in the Shadows of Motown.” It came out several years before the recent movie it inspired. You can find it at most music stores that have a large selection of sheet music and books, and I’m sure you can find it online.
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> Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is.
Just a quick note that this thread originated over on alt.guitar.beginner and alt.guitar. I’d expect most people on AGB to know him, but I’m not sure about the other NG’s. I took the liberty to cross post to AGB for some input on Jamerson.
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You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: http://bassland.net/jamerson.html Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html
Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
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>I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did.
Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come out of Motown.
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> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
But apparently Carol Kaye’s part was largely legend. Check out the site Dude recommended.
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> >I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did. > Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
Carol Kaye used a Super Reverb. In the movie, you can see some Concerts and Super Reverbs… and an old tuck and roll Kustom.
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html > Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol > Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that > most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research > on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye > takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad > that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. Ed Cregger
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> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger
Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and studio logs?
Response:
>: Who is the best bassist of all time?
I’m not one to pat myself on the back, usually…..But recently, as I was doling out weekly allowances, I heard a small voice from the back of the crowd announce "Daddy you’re the best bass player in the whole world". Hawk
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> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger > Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. > Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and > studio logs?
I did not know that the studio logs told a different story. I do know that writers tend to create a story where none exists sometimes. I am always suspicious of the writer before the person being disparaged. Just an old habit. But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. Ed Cregger
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>But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion.
Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the controversey because I don’t. Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the > controversey because I don’t.
I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just found someone else to begin with?
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> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
More like Jamerson and Bob Babbit. Carol Kaye did play some when Motown moved to LA, but she either made up some of what she played on or they canned many of her recorded tracks.
Response:
Because she’s good. — In the beginning there was a bass. It was a Fender, probably a Precision, but it could have been a Jazz – nobody knows. Anyway, it was very old … definitely pre-C.B.S. http://www.papabear.com/bassbook.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t > >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My > posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of > the > controversey because I don’t. > I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a > history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the > story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these > records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just > found someone else to begin with?
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I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but from a historical perspective, how many people know of James Jamerson? Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll be glad you did.
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> I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but > from a historical perspective, how many people know of James > Jamerson? > Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of > Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll > be glad you did.
Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is. Many consider him a genius because of the way he put things together. I think the Funk Brothers were recognized at the recent Grammies show. There is also a book by "Dr. Licks” (Allan Slutsky) about Jamerson with many of his basslines transcribed and also basslines recorded by top bassists. It’s also called "Standing in the Shadows of Motown.” It came out several years before the recent movie it inspired. You can find it at most music stores that have a large selection of sheet music and books, and I’m sure you can find it online.
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> Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is.
Just a quick note that this thread originated over on alt.guitar.beginner and alt.guitar. I’d expect most people on AGB to know him, but I’m not sure about the other NG’s. I took the liberty to cross post to AGB for some input on Jamerson.
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You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: http://bassland.net/jamerson.html Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html
Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
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>I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did.
Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come out of Motown.
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> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
But apparently Carol Kaye’s part was largely legend. Check out the site Dude recommended.
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> >I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did. > Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
Carol Kaye used a Super Reverb. In the movie, you can see some Concerts and Super Reverbs… and an old tuck and roll Kustom.
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html > Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol > Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that > most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research > on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye > takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad > that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. Ed Cregger
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> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger
Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and studio logs?
Response:
>: Who is the best bassist of all time?
I’m not one to pat myself on the back, usually…..But recently, as I was doling out weekly allowances, I heard a small voice from the back of the crowd announce "Daddy you’re the best bass player in the whole world". Hawk
Response:
> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger > Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. > Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and > studio logs?
I did not know that the studio logs told a different story. I do know that writers tend to create a story where none exists sometimes. I am always suspicious of the writer before the person being disparaged. Just an old habit. But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. Ed Cregger
Response:
>But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion.
Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the controversey because I don’t. Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the > controversey because I don’t.
I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just found someone else to begin with?
Response:
> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
More like Jamerson and Bob Babbit. Carol Kaye did play some when Motown moved to LA, but she either made up some of what she played on or they canned many of her recorded tracks.
Response:
Because she’s good. — In the beginning there was a bass. It was a Fender, probably a Precision, but it could have been a Jazz – nobody knows. Anyway, it was very old … definitely pre-C.B.S. http://www.papabear.com/bassbook.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t > >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My > posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of > the > controversey because I don’t. > I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a > history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the > story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these > records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just > found someone else to begin with?
Response:
I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but from a historical perspective, how many people know of James Jamerson? Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll be glad you did.
Response:
> I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but > from a historical perspective, how many people know of James > Jamerson? > Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of > Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll > be glad you did.
Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is. Many consider him a genius because of the way he put things together. I think the Funk Brothers were recognized at the recent Grammies show. There is also a book by "Dr. Licks” (Allan Slutsky) about Jamerson with many of his basslines transcribed and also basslines recorded by top bassists. It’s also called "Standing in the Shadows of Motown.” It came out several years before the recent movie it inspired. You can find it at most music stores that have a large selection of sheet music and books, and I’m sure you can find it online.
Response:
> Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is.
Just a quick note that this thread originated over on alt.guitar.beginner and alt.guitar. I’d expect most people on AGB to know him, but I’m not sure about the other NG’s. I took the liberty to cross post to AGB for some input on Jamerson.
Response:
You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: http://bassland.net/jamerson.html Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html
Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
Response:
>I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did.
Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come out of Motown.
Response:
> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
But apparently Carol Kaye’s part was largely legend. Check out the site Dude recommended.
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> >I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did. > Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
Carol Kaye used a Super Reverb. In the movie, you can see some Concerts and Super Reverbs… and an old tuck and roll Kustom.
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html > Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol > Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that > most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research > on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye > takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad > that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. Ed Cregger
Response:
> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger
Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and studio logs?
Response:
>: Who is the best bassist of all time?
I’m not one to pat myself on the back, usually…..But recently, as I was doling out weekly allowances, I heard a small voice from the back of the crowd announce "Daddy you’re the best bass player in the whole world". Hawk
Response:
> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger > Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. > Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and > studio logs?
I did not know that the studio logs told a different story. I do know that writers tend to create a story where none exists sometimes. I am always suspicious of the writer before the person being disparaged. Just an old habit. But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. Ed Cregger
Response:
>But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion.
Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the controversey because I don’t. Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
Response:
> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of the > controversey because I don’t.
I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just found someone else to begin with?
Response:
> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
More like Jamerson and Bob Babbit. Carol Kaye did play some when Motown moved to LA, but she either made up some of what she played on or they canned many of her recorded tracks.
Response:
Because she’s good. — In the beginning there was a bass. It was a Fender, probably a Precision, but it could have been a Jazz – nobody knows. Anyway, it was very old … definitely pre-C.B.S. http://www.papabear.com/bassbook.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t > >studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. > Ditto….I’ve also seen CK’s studio logs in LA for the same tracks. My > posting > the link to Bob Lee’s website does not mean I subscribe to either side of > the > controversey because I don’t. > I don’t necessarily either, but I had heard before that Carol Kaye has a > history of claiming to be on records that she was not on. Her side of the > story is that no one wanted to admit that a white woman played on these > records – but if that was really the case, why would they not have just > found someone else to begin with?
Response:
I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but from a historical perspective, how many people know of James Jamerson? Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll be glad you did.
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> I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but > from a historical perspective, how many people know of James > Jamerson? > Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of > Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll > be glad you did.
Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is. Many consider him a genius because of the way he put things together. I think the Funk Brothers were recognized at the recent Grammies show. There is also a book by "Dr. Licks” (Allan Slutsky) about Jamerson with many of his basslines transcribed and also basslines recorded by top bassists. It’s also called "Standing in the Shadows of Motown.” It came out several years before the recent movie it inspired. You can find it at most music stores that have a large selection of sheet music and books, and I’m sure you can find it online.
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> Probably many/most people on this list know who James Jamerson is.
Just a quick note that this thread originated over on alt.guitar.beginner and alt.guitar. I’d expect most people on AGB to know him, but I’m not sure about the other NG’s. I took the liberty to cross post to AGB for some input on Jamerson.
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You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: http://bassland.net/jamerson.html Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html
Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
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>I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did.
Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come out of Motown.
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> Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
But apparently Carol Kaye’s part was largely legend. Check out the site Dude recommended.
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> >I don’t believe that there is one "best " bass player, but >from a historical perspective, how many people know of James >Jamerson? >Go out and rent the movie "Standing in the Shadows of >Motown." Watch the movie and the entire second DVD. You’ll >be glad you did. > Legend has it that he & Carol Kaye played nearly everything to come > out of Motown.
Carol Kaye used a Super Reverb. In the movie, you can see some Concerts and Super Reverbs… and an old tuck and roll Kustom.
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> You’ll also see a great deal if information on Bob Lee’s website here: > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html > Dude: Thanks for that link. I’m getting absorbed in the debate that Carol > Kaye has created by saying that she was the bassist on many records that > most people believe Jamerson was on. Dr. Licks did quite a bit of research > on this – mostly refuting Ms. Kaye’s stories. I had heard that Carol Kaye > takes credit for a lot of records that she didn’t play on. It’s kind of sad > that a successful studio bassist needs to make up stories.
Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. Ed Cregger
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> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger
Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and studio logs?
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>: Who is the best bassist of all time?
I’m not one to pat myself on the back, usually…..But recently, as I was doling out weekly allowances, I heard a small voice from the back of the crowd announce "Daddy you’re the best bass player in the whole world". Hawk
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> Why would you believe someone else and not Carol Kaye? Just curious. > Ed Cregger > Read the evidence Allan Slutsky has unearthed at > http://bassland.net/jamerson.html. > Any reason why you’d believe Carol Kaye over all of these other people, and > studio logs?
I did not know that the studio logs told a different story. I do know that writers tend to create a story where none exists sometimes. I am always suspicious of the writer before the person being disparaged. Just an old habit. But I have no need to draw a firm conclusion when I haven’t studied the data, so, in this case, I really have no opinion. Ed Cregger
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