metronome,
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Well Rob I think it is a great idea. I have just started taking lessons after 30 years of on/off plinking strumming and I use a metronome. start off at a speed that you can play to, even if it is 50bpm and increase it as you get confidence in the piece you’re practicing. Good luck graham
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What does everyone think of a begginer useing a metronome from the > very start? And what would be a good setting for a begginer to practice > with? > Rob
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: How long have you been playing? I mean I seem to have really shitty : rythm. Just plain bad. I’ve had people tell me that rhythm is natural : and either have it or you don’t. That might be true for some, I just : hope it really is something that can be learned. Rob, here is my $0.02 on this: Your heart beats a rhythm 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Your body sleeps and wakes on a 24 hour rhythm Your breathing happens on a second by second rhythm Peristalsis in your throat and intestines are on a rhythm. In general I would say that we are one "living rhythm machine". Rhythm is natural, and you have it already. You just have to pay attention, and practice, practice, practice. For example, when we awake (most of us), we shower and brush our teeth. Some of us do this subconsciously. This "rhythm" has been ingrained. It was learned. It may be easier to perform than a guitar rhythm, but IMHO they can be learned too. Give it patience and time. (quoth George Harrison). 
-Matt — "My name is just spelt Raymond Luxury-Yacht. It’s pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove." – Monty Python
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Get a metronome. If you have trouble with one, then get a drum machine and use it every time you play. In many cases, it is not you as a guitar player who should "have rhythm." You should be following the drummer and the bass player not trying to set rhythm.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The best rhythm trainer would be another guitar player but a lot of us > don’t have one. I bought a Digitech RP100 a couple of months ago. It has > a rhythm trainer built in, it has helped me alot. I too wondered if I > would ever develop good rhythm and timing. It is coming along, the main > thing is to put in the time. > BJ > How long have you been playing? I mean I seem to have really shitty > rythm. Just plain bad. I’ve had people tell me that rhythm is natural > and either have it or you don’t. That might be true for some, I just > hope it really is something that can be learned. > Rob > > I’ve never seemed to have good rhythm. I dunno is it something that > > can be learned or am I doomed to spending my guitar playing days a > > "beat off"? (no masturbatory reference intended ;->) > > Is there a good software metranome? > > Rob
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Beginners should start with a metronome right away period. The problem > > > being getting beginners to. That said, search Google for the "Weekly post > > > of FAQ" for this newsgroup and find valuable info regarding metronomes. To > > > get you started, you should set the metronome for a speed that is > > > comfortable for you and you can play without mistakes. Then increase one > > > setting at a time until you start making mistakes and turn the speed down. > > > It is really important not to practice at a speed that you are making > > > mistakes, because this is essentially practicing mistakes and learning > > > wrong. > > > Since you are a beginner, I will use chords as an example of a good use of > > > the metronome. Start at 96 if this is comfortable for you. Play a C major > > > chord using a downstroke with your pick once on each tick. After four ticks > > > change to G major for 4 ticks and then back to C major. If you are not able > > > to make the change smoothly, slow down the metronome and try again. If you > > > are far beyond this point stick with the following for this time and start > > > at a faster speed next time. > > > After you are comfortable advance two settings(this is 104 on a standard > > > metronome). Repeat the C G change. When you are comfortable, set the > > > metronome back one setting (this is 100 on a standard metronome). Repeat > > > the C G change. Advance 2, back 1 until you either get to a point where you > > > are making mistakes, in which case slow down about 6 clicks and start again. > > > If you get to a fairly fast tick like say 120 then after you are > > > comfortable, set the metronome to 1/2 of the setting. In the case of 120 > > > this would be 60 beats per minute (BPM). Now play a downstroke on the tick > > > and halfway between the ticks. When you are comfortable you can continue > > > Start an up down stroke with your right hand. Down on the tick and up in > > > between. Still doing the 2 up one down deal. I think this will give you > > > some idea of basic metronome use. It is so very valuable and if you can > > > master it early drummers and bass players will love you! > > > > What does everyone think of a begginer useing a metronome from the > > > > very start? And what would be a good setting for a begginer to practice > > > > with? > > > > Rob
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IMHO… I disagree, You can’t "follow" any other players… you’ll be off. Either your in the pocket or you’re not. Parker
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Get a metronome. If you have trouble with one, then get a drum machine and > use it every time you play. In many cases, it is not you as a guitar player > who should "have rhythm." You should be following the drummer and the bass > player not trying to set rhythm. > > The best rhythm trainer would be another guitar player but a lot of us > > don’t have one. I bought a Digitech RP100 a couple of months ago. It has > > a rhythm trainer built in, it has helped me alot. I too wondered if I > > would ever develop good rhythm and timing. It is coming along, the main > > thing is to put in the time. > > BJ > How long have you been playing? I mean I seem to have really shitty > rythm. Just plain bad. I’ve had people tell me that rhythm is natural > and either have it or you don’t. That might be true for some, I just > hope it really is something that can be learned. > Rob > > > I’ve never seemed to have good rhythm. I dunno is it something that > > > can be learned or am I doomed to spending my guitar playing days a > > > "beat off"? (no masturbatory reference intended ;->) > > > Is there a good software metranome? > > > Rob > > > > Beginners should start with a metronome right away period. The > problem > > > > being getting beginners to. That said, search Google for the > "Weekly post > > > > of FAQ" for this newsgroup and find valuable info regarding > metronomes. To > > > > get you started, you should set the metronome for a speed that is > > > > comfortable for you and you can play without mistakes. Then > increase one > > > > setting at a time until you start making mistakes and turn the speed > down. > > > > It is really important not to practice at a speed that you are > making > > > > mistakes, because this is essentially practicing mistakes and > learning > > > > wrong. > > > > Since you are a beginner, I will use chords as an example of a good > use of > > > > the metronome. Start at 96 if this is comfortable for you. Play a > C major > > > > chord using a downstroke with your pick once on each tick. After > four ticks > > > > change to G major for 4 ticks and then back to C major. If you are > not able > > > > to make the change smoothly, slow down the metronome and try again. > If you > > > > are far beyond this point stick with the following for this time and > start > > > > at a faster speed next time. > > > > After you are comfortable advance two settings(this is 104 on a > standard > > > > metronome). Repeat the C G change. When you are comfortable, set > the > > > > metronome back one setting (this is 100 on a standard metronome). > Repeat > > > > the C G change. Advance 2, back 1 until you either get to a point > where you > > > > are making mistakes, in which case slow down about 6 clicks and > start again. > > > > If you get to a fairly fast tick like say 120 then after you are > > > > comfortable, set the metronome to 1/2 of the setting. In the case > of 120 > > > > this would be 60 beats per minute (BPM). Now play a downstroke on > the tick > > > > and halfway between the ticks. When you are comfortable you can > continue > > > > Start an up down stroke with your right hand. Down on the tick and > up in > > > > between. Still doing the 2 up one down deal. I think this will > give you > > > > some idea of basic metronome use. It is so very valuable and if you > can > > > > master it early drummers and bass players will love you! > > > > > What does everyone think of a begginer useing a metronome from the > > > > > very start? And what would be a good setting for a begginer to > practice > > > > > with? > > > > > Rob
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Perhaps you misunderstand what I mean by follow. The rhythm section sets and controls the rhythm. The guitar player is guided by that rhythm and it is often the job of the drummer to keep the guitar player from speeding up and slowing down depending on what he is playing. I call this following. If you still disagree, I definitely would not want to be the drummer in your band. IMHO
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> IMHO… I disagree, You can’t "follow" any other players… you’ll be off. > Either your in the pocket or you’re not. > Parker > Get a metronome. If you have trouble with one, then get a drum machine > and > use it every time you play. In many cases, it is not you as a guitar > player > who should "have rhythm." You should be following the drummer and the > bass > player not trying to set rhythm. > > > The best rhythm trainer would be another guitar player but a lot of us > > > don’t have one. I bought a Digitech RP100 a couple of months ago. It > has > > > a rhythm trainer built in, it has helped me alot. I too wondered if I > > > would ever develop good rhythm and timing. It is coming along, the > main > > > thing is to put in the time. > > > BJ > > How long have you been playing? I mean I seem to have really shitty > > rythm. Just plain bad. I’ve had people tell me that rhythm is natural > > and either have it or you don’t. That might be true for some, I just > > hope it really is something that can be learned. > > Rob > > > > I’ve never seemed to have good rhythm. I dunno is it something that > > > > can be learned or am I doomed to spending my guitar playing days a > > > > "beat off"? (no masturbatory reference intended ;->) > > > > Is there a good software metranome? > > > > Rob > > > > > Beginners should start with a metronome right away period. The > problem > > > > > being getting beginners to. That said, search Google for the > "Weekly post > > > > > of FAQ" for this newsgroup and find valuable info regarding > metronomes. To > > > > > get you started, you should set the metronome for a speed that is > > > > > comfortable for you and you can play without mistakes. Then > increase one > > > > > setting at a time until you start making mistakes and turn the > speed > down. > > > > > It is really important not to practice at a speed that you are > making > > > > > mistakes, because this is essentially practicing mistakes and > learning > > > > > wrong. > > > > > Since you are a beginner, I will use chords as an example of a > good > use of > > > > > the metronome. Start at 96 if this is comfortable for you. Play > a > C major > > > > > chord using a downstroke with your pick once on each tick. After > four ticks > > > > > change to G major for 4 ticks and then back to C major. If you > are > not able > > > > > to make the change smoothly, slow down the metronome and try > again. > If you > > > > > are far beyond this point stick with the following for this time > and > start > > > > > at a faster speed next time. > > > > > After you are comfortable advance two settings(this is 104 on a > standard > > > > > metronome). Repeat the C G change. When you are comfortable, set > the > > > > > metronome back one setting (this is 100 on a standard metronome). > Repeat > > > > > the C G change. Advance 2, back 1 until you either get to a point > where you > > > > > are making mistakes, in which case slow down about 6 clicks and > start again. > > > > > If you get to a fairly fast tick like say 120 then after you are > > > > > comfortable, set the metronome to 1/2 of the setting. In the case > of 120 > > > > > this would be 60 beats per minute (BPM). Now play a downstroke on > the tick > > > > > and halfway between the ticks. When you are comfortable you can > continue > > > > > Start an up down stroke with your right hand. Down on the tick > and > up in > > > > > between. Still doing the 2 up one down deal. I think this will > give you > > > > > some idea of basic metronome use. It is so very valuable and if > you > can > > > > > master it early drummers and bass players will love you! > > > > > > What does everyone think of a begginer useing a metronome from > the > > > > > > very start? And what would be a good setting for a begginer to > practice > > > > > > with? > > > > > > Rob
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Tap your foot every time you play. The groove will come in time. Parker
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The best rhythm trainer would be another guitar player but a lot of us > don’t have one. I bought a Digitech RP100 a couple of months ago. It has > a rhythm trainer built in, it has helped me alot. I too wondered if I > would ever develop good rhythm and timing. It is coming along, the main > thing is to put in the time. > BJ > How long have you been playing? I mean I seem to have really shitty > rythm. Just plain bad. I’ve had people tell me that rhythm is natural > and either have it or you don’t. That might be true for some, I just > hope it really is something that can be learned. > Rob > > I’ve never seemed to have good rhythm. I dunno is it something that > > can be learned or am I doomed to spending my guitar playing days a > > "beat off"? (no masturbatory reference intended ;->) > > Is there a good software metranome? > > Rob
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Beginners should start with a metronome right away period. The problem > > > being getting beginners to. That said, search Google for the "Weekly post > > > of FAQ" for this newsgroup and find valuable info regarding metronomes. To > > > get you started, you should set the metronome for a speed that is > > > comfortable for you and you can play without mistakes. Then increase one > > > setting at a time until you start making mistakes and turn the speed down. > > > It is really important not to practice at a speed that you are making > > > mistakes, because this is essentially practicing mistakes and learning > > > wrong. > > > Since you are a beginner, I will use chords as an example of a good use of > > > the metronome. Start at 96 if this is comfortable for you. Play a C major > > > chord using a downstroke with your pick once on each tick. After four ticks > > > change to G major for 4 ticks and then back to C major. If you are not able > > > to make the change smoothly, slow down the metronome and try again. If you > > > are far beyond this point stick with the following for this time and start > > > at a faster speed next time. > > > After you are comfortable advance two settings(this is 104 on a standard > > > metronome). Repeat the C G change. When you are comfortable, set the > > > metronome back one setting (this is 100 on a standard metronome). Repeat > > > the C G change. Advance 2, back 1 until you either get to a point where you > > > are making mistakes, in which case slow down about 6 clicks and start again. > > > If you get to a fairly fast tick like say 120 then after you are > > > comfortable, set the metronome to 1/2 of the setting. In the case of 120 > > > this would be 60 beats per minute (BPM). Now play a downstroke on the tick > > > and halfway between the ticks. When you are comfortable you can continue > > > Start an up down stroke with your right hand. Down on the tick and up in > > > between. Still doing the 2 up one down deal. I think this will give you > > > some idea of basic metronome use. It is so very valuable and if you can > > > master it early drummers and bass players will love you! > > > > What does everyone think of a begginer useing a metronome from the > > > > very start? And what would be a good setting for a begginer to practice > > > > with? > > > > Rob
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> The best rhythm trainer would be another guitar player but a lot of us > don’t have one. I bought a Digitech RP100 a couple of months ago. It has > a rhythm trainer built in, it has helped me alot. I too wondered if I > would ever develop good rhythm and timing. It is coming along, the main > thing is to put in the time. > BJ
How long have you been playing? I mean I seem to have really shitty rythm. Just plain bad. I’ve had people tell me that rhythm is natural and either have it or you don’t. That might be true for some, I just hope it really is something that can be learned. Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve never seemed to have good rhythm. I dunno is it something that > can be learned or am I doomed to spending my guitar playing days a > "beat off"? (no masturbatory reference intended ;->) > Is there a good software metranome? > Rob > > Beginners should start with a metronome right away period. The problem > > being getting beginners to. That said, search Google for the "Weekly post > > of FAQ" for this newsgroup and find valuable info regarding metronomes. To > > get you started, you should set the metronome for a speed that is > > comfortable for you and you can play without mistakes. Then increase one > > setting at a time until you start making mistakes and turn the speed down. > > It is really important not to practice at a speed that you are making > > mistakes, because this is essentially practicing mistakes and learning > > wrong. > > Since you are a beginner, I will use chords as an example of a good use of > > the metronome. Start at 96 if this is comfortable for you. Play a C major > > chord using a downstroke with your pick once on each tick. After four ticks > > change to G major for 4 ticks and then back to C major. If you are not able > > to make the change smoothly, slow down the metronome and try again. If you > > are far beyond this point stick with the following for this time and start > > at a faster speed next time. > > After you are comfortable advance two settings(this is 104 on a standard > > metronome). Repeat the C G change. When you are comfortable, set the > > metronome back one setting (this is 100 on a standard metronome). Repeat > > the C G change. Advance 2, back 1 until you either get to a point where you > > are making mistakes, in which case slow down about 6 clicks and start again. > > If you get to a fairly fast tick like say 120 then after you are > > comfortable, set the metronome to 1/2 of the setting. In the case of 120 > > this would be 60 beats per minute (BPM). Now play a downstroke on the tick > > and halfway between the ticks. When you are comfortable you can continue > > Start an up down stroke with your right hand. Down on the tick and up in > > between. Still doing the 2 up one down deal. I think this will give you > > some idea of basic metronome use. It is so very valuable and if you can > > master it early drummers and bass players will love you! > > > What does everyone think of a begginer useing a metronome from the > > > very start? And what would be a good setting for a begginer to practice > > > with? > > > Rob
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> Great post Lon! > Like you said in your other post about hitting wrong notes, we all do. The > thing is, if you hit the wrong note, but on time, it doesn’t sound as bad. > How does that saying go? Something like, "If you play the wrong note at the > wrong time, you made two mistakes. If you hit the wrong note at the right time, > you only made one."
Others along that line: "If you hit a wrong note once, it’s a mistake. If you hit it again in the same place, it’s jazz" (Author unknown). and . . . "If you hit the right note at the right time, the instrument plays itself" (J.S. Bach). The Old Guy —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! ==—–
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I’ve never seemed to have good rhythm. I dunno is it something that can be learned or am I doomed to spending my guitar playing days a "beat off"? (no masturbatory reference intended ;->) Is there a good software metranome? Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Beginners should start with a metronome right away period. The problem > being getting beginners to. That said, search Google for the "Weekly post > of FAQ" for this newsgroup and find valuable info regarding metronomes. To > get you started, you should set the metronome for a speed that is > comfortable for you and you can play without mistakes. Then increase one > setting at a time until you start making mistakes and turn the speed down. > It is really important not to practice at a speed that you are making > mistakes, because this is essentially practicing mistakes and learning > wrong. > Since you are a beginner, I will use chords as an example of a good use of > the metronome. Start at 96 if this is comfortable for you. Play a C major > chord using a downstroke with your pick once on each tick. After four ticks > change to G major for 4 ticks and then back to C major. If you are not able > to make the change smoothly, slow down the metronome and try again. If you > are far beyond this point stick with the following for this time and start > at a faster speed next time. > After you are comfortable advance two settings(this is 104 on a standard > metronome). Repeat the C G change. When you are comfortable, set the > metronome back one setting (this is 100 on a standard metronome). Repeat > the C G change. Advance 2, back 1 until you either get to a point where you > are making mistakes, in which case slow down about 6 clicks and start again. > If you get to a fairly fast tick like say 120 then after you are > comfortable, set the metronome to 1/2 of the setting. In the case of 120 > this would be 60 beats per minute (BPM). Now play a downstroke on the tick > and halfway between the ticks. When you are comfortable you can continue > Start an up down stroke with your right hand. Down on the tick and up in > between. Still doing the 2 up one down deal. I think this will give you > some idea of basic metronome use. It is so very valuable and if you can > master it early drummers and bass players will love you! > What does everyone think of a begginer useing a metronome from the > very start? And what would be a good setting for a begginer to practice > with? > Rob
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The best rhythm trainer would be another guitar player but a lot of us don’t have one. I bought a Digitech RP100 a couple of months ago. It has a rhythm trainer built in, it has helped me alot. I too wondered if I would ever develop good rhythm and timing. It is coming along, the main thing is to put in the time. BJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve never seemed to have good rhythm. I dunno is it something that > can be learned or am I doomed to spending my guitar playing days a > "beat off"? (no masturbatory reference intended ;->) > Is there a good software metranome? > Rob > Beginners should start with a metronome right away period. The problem > being getting beginners to. That said, search Google for the "Weekly post > of FAQ" for this newsgroup and find valuable info regarding metronomes. To > get you started, you should set the metronome for a speed that is > comfortable for you and you can play without mistakes. Then increase one > setting at a time until you start making mistakes and turn the speed down. > It is really important not to practice at a speed that you are making > mistakes, because this is essentially practicing mistakes and learning > wrong. > Since you are a beginner, I will use chords as an example of a good use of > the metronome. Start at 96 if this is comfortable for you. Play a C major > chord using a downstroke with your pick once on each tick. After four ticks > change to G major for 4 ticks and then back to C major. If you are not able > to make the change smoothly, slow down the metronome and try again. If you > are far beyond this point stick with the following for this time and start > at a faster speed next time. > After you are comfortable advance two settings(this is 104 on a standard > metronome). Repeat the C G change. When you are comfortable, set the > metronome back one setting (this is 100 on a standard metronome). Repeat > the C G change. Advance 2, back 1 until you either get to a point where you > are making mistakes, in which case slow down about 6 clicks and start again. > If you get to a fairly fast tick like say 120 then after you are > comfortable, set the metronome to 1/2 of the setting. In the case of 120 > this would be 60 beats per minute (BPM). Now play a downstroke on the tick > and halfway between the ticks. When you are comfortable you can continue > Start an up down stroke with your right hand. Down on the tick and up in > between. Still doing the 2 up one down deal. I think this will give you > some idea of basic metronome use. It is so very valuable and if you can > master it early drummers and bass players will love you! > > What does everyone think of a begginer useing a metronome from the > > very start? And what would be a good setting for a begginer to practice > > with? > > Rob
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Great post Lon! Like you said in your other post about hitting wrong notes, we all do. The thing is, if you hit the wrong note, but on time, it doesn’t sound as bad. How does that saying go? Something like, "If you play the wrong note at the wrong time, you made two mistakes. If you hit the wrong note at the right time, you only made one." I think there is a better saying than that, but I think I have the idea right. Also, hitting a bad note on time will not sound as bad in a band situation. Timine IS everything! Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Beginners should start with a metronome right away period. The problem >being getting beginners to. That said, search Google for the "Weekly post >of FAQ" for this newsgroup and find valuable info regarding metronomes. To >get you started, you should set the metronome for a speed that is >comfortable for you and you can play without mistakes. Then increase one >setting at a time until you start making mistakes and turn the speed down. >It is really important not to practice at a speed that you are making >mistakes, because this is essentially practicing mistakes and learning >wrong. >Since you are a beginner, I will use chords as an example of a good use of >the metronome. Start at 96 if this is comfortable for you. Play a C major >chord using a downstroke with your pick once on each tick. After four ticks >change to G major for 4 ticks and then back to C major. If you are not able >to make the change smoothly, slow down the metronome and try again. If you >are far beyond this point stick with the following for this time and start >at a faster speed next time. >After you are comfortable advance two settings(this is 104 on a standard >metronome). Repeat the C G change. When you are comfortable, set the >metronome back one setting (this is 100 on a standard metronome). Repeat >the C G change. Advance 2, back 1 until you either get to a point where you >are making mistakes, in which case slow down about 6 clicks and start again. >If you get to a fairly fast tick like say 120 then after you are >comfortable, set the metronome to 1/2 of the setting. In the case of 120 >this would be 60 beats per minute (BPM). Now play a downstroke on the tick >and halfway between the ticks. When you are comfortable you can continue >Start an up down stroke with your right hand. Down on the tick and up in >between. Still doing the 2 up one down deal. I think this will give you >some idea of basic metronome use. It is so very valuable and if you can >master it early drummers and bass players will love you! > What does everyone think of a begginer useing a metronome from the > very start? And what would be a good setting for a begginer to practice > with? > Rob
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What does everyone think of a begginer useing a metronome from the very start? And what would be a good setting for a begginer to practice with? Rob
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Beginners should start with a metronome right away period. The problem being getting beginners to. That said, search Google for the "Weekly post of FAQ" for this newsgroup and find valuable info regarding metronomes. To get you started, you should set the metronome for a speed that is comfortable for you and you can play without mistakes. Then increase one setting at a time until you start making mistakes and turn the speed down. It is really important not to practice at a speed that you are making mistakes, because this is essentially practicing mistakes and learning wrong. Since you are a beginner, I will use chords as an example of a good use of the metronome. Start at 96 if this is comfortable for you. Play a C major chord using a downstroke with your pick once on each tick. After four ticks change to G major for 4 ticks and then back to C major. If you are not able to make the change smoothly, slow down the metronome and try again. If you are far beyond this point stick with the following for this time and start at a faster speed next time. After you are comfortable advance two settings(this is 104 on a standard metronome). Repeat the C G change. When you are comfortable, set the metronome back one setting (this is 100 on a standard metronome). Repeat the C G change. Advance 2, back 1 until you either get to a point where you are making mistakes, in which case slow down about 6 clicks and start again. If you get to a fairly fast tick like say 120 then after you are comfortable, set the metronome to 1/2 of the setting. In the case of 120 this would be 60 beats per minute (BPM). Now play a downstroke on the tick and halfway between the ticks. When you are comfortable you can continue Start an up down stroke with your right hand. Down on the tick and up in between. Still doing the 2 up one down deal. I think this will give you some idea of basic metronome use. It is so very valuable and if you can master it early drummers and bass players will love you!
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